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Post by horselady on Jul 14, 2014 17:17:38 GMT
OK no tie down. BUT take a lunge line or a long 10ft rope with a clip and have that attached to the left side of his face. use a halter and clip it to the ring on the halter. and the line just lying across your lap if and when he feels tense and you have time grab that rope . especially when he starts to tip his nose down and glance back. i saw he does that in both his videos. and make him circle to the left. by pulling on that rope. of course your hand will have to come way down past your knee and towards his tail behind you. NOT TOWARDS YOUR BELLY BUTTON. do not attach the end to anything just circle. if he tosses you try to hold on to that rope and do not get kicked, just pull his head toward you and his hind will be away from you.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 14, 2014 17:26:09 GMT
How do I get his head up when riding him?
I've never had a horse peanut roll so bad, he catches me off guard a lot, he likes to relax and keep it low so I just have the rein ends so when he tenses and lifts it up fast a lot of the time I have no rein, I'm used to English riding and my horses always had a contact and nice head carriage, he is always reaching down, I know the trainer who broke him works on light rein and she always had his head down, I really don't know how to get it up, if I ride him into the contact all that happens is he pulls it down more and moves better lol!
I assume this is a type of evasion really, I'm rusty please excuse me!
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Post by Lipizzan on Jul 15, 2014 7:48:53 GMT
I dont know an english word for that piece of equipment, but there is something that keeps horse head up.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 15, 2014 12:41:33 GMT
I spoke to 2 trainers who have both told me to up his bit so I guess its time to try the one on my bit thread, they said he needs a good bump and bumping a happy mouth has no effect, I did notice he was starting to set his jaw a little when he was tense and the trainer who finally broke him rode him in a much stronger bit and bumped him when needed and it did reel him in and stop him having a strop, I have it on video!
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 16, 2014 17:01:32 GMT
You know I'm kinda contradicting myself on this thread, stupid horse, I want his head down as he's prone to rearing but up so I have some control, lol!
I just spoke to my neighbour who was picking his dogs up after a month stay, he said Im way too soft with my horses and stupid for riding that psycho on the road, says get it in the field and ride it every day, he did also give me $100 tip towards a body protector too lol!
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Post by Lipizzan on Jul 16, 2014 17:35:10 GMT
I really think you have enough knowlege about horses, and you know Isis the best. Go with your istinct. I strongly belive only you can make him right. Just don't lose your confidence.
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Post by hugs on Jul 18, 2014 1:46:38 GMT
Coming back to this for no other reason than to give you moral support... yeah, big whoop LOL Dang horses, they can just be so dang hard to train sometimes. You really gotta know the right method/strategy. I think the "work 'em hard" is the way to go. Ziggy is like that too, gotta get through their goofy noggins. Or as I used to say to my kids, "NOT acceptable!"
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 21, 2014 16:11:53 GMT
Coming back to this for no other reason than to give you moral support... yeah, big whoop LOL Dang horses, they can just be so dang hard to train sometimes. You really gotta know the right method/strategy. I think the "work 'em hard" is the way to go. Ziggy is like that too, gotta get through their goofy noggins. Or as I used to say to my kids, "NOT acceptable!" Yes I know you're right, it's just this stupid climate too, can't ride from November till may, makes it harder, I'll get him working again soon once I'm better, have a stupid head cold now, feel dizzy and weak, I will be riding him in the field for a while though, I think it's for the best:)
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Post by hugs on Jul 22, 2014 2:10:31 GMT
Dizzy and weak does not a good horse trainer make. Hope your noggin clears up in short order.
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Post by nhg on Jul 27, 2014 17:31:02 GMT
I missed this thread. My suggestion is to work on desensitizing while leading him at a walk. You will likely have to walk backwards while doing it but at least you're right there to deal with his reactions. I hope you're feeling better. I couldn't get the video because I'm still posting from my phone. So awkward.
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 7, 2014 15:44:44 GMT
I have been trying to catch up on things that I missed when I didn't get on here for a month. That was a very scary fall and I am so sorry it happened. I am sure you must be feeling better now.
The same thing nearly happened to me yesterday, but Diamond stopped so I didn't come clear off. I almost did though, and I had my feed in both stirrups at the beginning of her spook, but was hanging off her side with only one stirrup in the blink of an eye.
Let me tell you what I think happened to cause our problem. Sorry no video.
Diamond has always been really reactive, and a big spooker.
My daughter and I went for a ride in the field across the road from me. The farmer farms the whole section, and had recently plowed the quarter right in front of my house. The plowed quarter, had milo on one side, tall weeds on the back side, harvested wheat on the third side, and the creek on the forth. Both horses did really good, with only a couple of minor startles when a dove would flush from the milo or the weeds. The milo takes up a whole half section, and the farmer had plowed a narrow strip further back between the milo and the tall weeds. The horses had been so calm I decided we could ride the narrow strip.
I could tell Diamond wasn't happy about being asked to go down the narrow strip with tall plants on both sides. I could feel her becoming a little more tense and her held her head higher. Oh and I need to mention we have an absolute plague of grasshoppers right now. The grasshoppers had been an annoyance the whole ride because they are huge and would jump, and sometimes hit the horses in the face, causing them to jump and toss their heads in surprise. I tried to relax, so she would relax, and she seemed to be doing so, when all of a sudden, a small flock of doves took flight right next to us and she blew, and I nearly came off. The only reason I stayed in the saddle is truly because she didn't run. I am sure it was the combination of things that caused the big exaggerated reaction. The narrow space that all kinds of horse eating animals could be hiding in, the annoying grasshoppers that might keep her from noticing a predator, and fewer options to where she could run if she needed to. When those doves took flight she lost the ability to think and just reacted.
What did I do wrong? I wasn't making her use the thinking side of her brain. If I had been working her like I had been when we first started, she would have been using the thinking side of her brain, and quite possibly not reacted so hugely. Plus, I was only trying to act relaxed. The truth is I was a little bit nervous, thinking there could be a big spook at any time, and I am sure she could pick up on it.
I did start making her work and weave back and forth across the narrow path, right next to the weeds on one side, and the milo on the other. I had been trying to stick to the middle of the path so the would be further away from the scary things, but I decided it might a better idea to cause a spook rather than be surprised by one. She did better, but I am sure I was sending her sorts of scary messages that were out of my control. My daughter and I only went a little further up the narrow area, then turned around and headed back out. The horses were rushing a little bit so we did small circles each time they would break into a trot and they really settled down.
We decided to take one more circle around the plowed quarter before heading home. We were weaving, and doing some small circles, and asking the horses bend, while we were going around the field, when all of a sudden a doe and fawn spooked out from the tall weeds. Both horses threw their heads and jumped a little, but neither one of them tried to turn and bolt.
I an not trying to give any advise on how to handle Isis, and I am sure glad I didn't watch that, before my daughter and I went out for our ride, or I might not have gone at all. I just think it could have been the combination of an enclosed area, (a predator could be hiding behind every tree) a foreign object, and feet slipping out of the stirrups, that might have caused reactive overload.
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Post by lorddaxter on Sept 8, 2014 18:53:03 GMT
You know I think basically he is just an idiot.
The trainer who did manage to break him was always saying relaxed rider makes relaxed horse, to gain trust you have to show it, so really that's what I was doing, I was relaxed and trusting him not to react but he bloody well did, little shyster.
Glad you didn't fall off DG, it's not fun, I actually haven't ridden him since then, I got busy and the last few rides have been on Dax so I can have fun and I rode Ira once just to see if he was ok, I've been ignoring Isis, once the weathers better I will get on him, I mean he is the only one shod lol!
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Post by lorddaxter on Oct 14, 2014 13:10:46 GMT
So as some of you know I've been considering re homing Isis due to various reasons not just him being the least safe for me to ride!
Unfortunately the 2 people who Id really hoped would take him are too busy, I do have a few others but I don't hold confidence in them, I have 1 who I am talking to today, she knows he is on a free return basis of things don't work out at any time.
Meantime I have decided to take him to the trainer round the corner, I can ride there in half an hour, for a troubleshoot session, see what he thinks, I've watched him a few times now and he is good with the horses, besides, I'll be there!
I will update once I have been:)
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Post by nhg on Oct 14, 2014 14:24:32 GMT
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Post by mistersmom on Oct 14, 2014 14:32:51 GMT
Sounds like a good plan!
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Post by horselady on Oct 14, 2014 19:51:32 GMT
Are you going to ride him there? or trailer him to the trainer? that is a good plan perhaps just take the kinks out and for you to be safe.
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Post by lorddaxter on Oct 14, 2014 21:10:26 GMT
Are you going to ride him there? or trailer him to the trainer? that is a good plan perhaps just take the kinks out and for you to be safe. I haven't decided yet, if it's a quiet day I may ride if not I may trailer, I haven't towed for years though :( i have someone very keen on him, they may be coming to meet him soon.
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Post by Lipizzan on Oct 15, 2014 6:23:30 GMT
Good luck with Isis. It will better for him, and you could concentrate on other two you have so that everybody is happy.
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Post by lorddaxter on Oct 15, 2014 13:09:28 GMT
This thread and a good chat with NHG is making me feel better about finding another home for him, Im getting quite excited about having more time to spend with dax in harness, he was broke to harness when I got him and having time to ride ira who has been neglected the last 2 years, I am now hoping things work out with this lady, if not I have another in the pipeline but I feel this first one is the best:)
am a little concerned about just having the two scenario though, as in one running round screaming while I ride the other, i really don't want to have even a donkey, guess they'll have to get used to it, I have Hotwire mostly now and if I shut the lone one in the paddock it's all Hotwire, dax will be ok as I've left him alone before, not sure about ira though.
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Post by lorddaxter on Oct 16, 2014 20:54:09 GMT
Everyone keep your fingers crossed, the clients friend is hopefully coming Sunday to see Isis and they are bringing a trailer just incase!
She said that they said they are used to spooky horses, they ride in the mountains and said after a few days those horses are usually better as they ride in large groups, said her mom broke both her wrists on the last project they fixed up and use for trail rides now, big family apparently!.....she said both her(my client)and I will be able to go ride with them next summer so I can see he is ok and loved, as long as it works out lol!
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