Terry
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Post by Terry on Apr 16, 2014 12:32:25 GMT
Any updates on Heidi and her kittens? Are the kittens starting to run around now? I'd love to hear an update and see some updated pictures of them (hint, hint).
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mistersmom
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Heidi
Apr 16, 2014 16:53:19 GMT
Post by mistersmom on Apr 16, 2014 16:53:19 GMT
Me too!
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 5, 2014 2:58:59 GMT
Heidi has been spayed and gotten all her shots, and wormed. She is all healed up and is gaining weight, and should be all ready to start her new life as a pampered house cat. ( ok,,,, a wild house cat)
She has been living in the back bedroom. Originally it was part of the old attached garage, but was up graded into a family room ( my space) and a third bedroom. Her bed room, is a nice room with central heat and air, but she is in there alone and I know she longs for kitty company. Especially the company of the two of her kittens that we couldn't bare to part with.
For a week I have been leaving the door open in the evening, so she could come out of her prison, if she chooses to. Unfortunately she won't come out. She will hide and look out the door, but she won't come out, into the house. The kittens go in and come back out, but she won't budge.
I thought that maybe if I left the door open all night she might come out, but with the chance of showers at any time, ( we never get any but there is a chance) I won't make my rescue English Setter Mica, stay outside all night. Mica is the other problem. No matter how hard I have tried, she wants to eat the cats. At the age of 13, she has a very high prey drive, and I can't seen to convince her that kitty's are our friends. I am afraid she must stay on the back porch. I do bring her into the house on a leash, but to keep the cats safe, I need to be right with her, so I can't go to bed with her loose in the house, and I do have to get up in the A.M. to go to work.
I have tried making a path of cat treats, but the kittens eat them faster than I can get them laid out, so that tactic has failed to entice Heidi out.
The bedroom door is open to the back porch landing, and I would like to let Mica have her own bedroom (Heidi's room) as soon as Heidi comes out of her room. She just doesn't seem to want to come out.
Does anyone else have an idea?
I suppose I could leave her door open, and vacuum her room, and maybe that would drive her out. ( she hates the noisy vacuum) , but I was really hoping we could do this calmly.
I am open to suggestions.
Maybe I just need to give her more time. I don't know.
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kskatt
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Heidi
Sept 5, 2014 5:42:48 GMT
Post by kskatt on Sept 5, 2014 5:42:48 GMT
Just how long has she been spayed and how long have you had the bedroom door open, hoping for her to come out?
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Sept 5, 2014 12:25:16 GMT
I think you just need to give her more time. Continue on a set schedule of opening the door at a certain time and then closing it when you need to later. Remember how long it took for her to come out from under the bed? It's just going to take time. Hopefully the lure of her kittens will help.
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 5, 2014 18:37:15 GMT
Heidi was spayed three weeks ago, and I have been leaving her door open at times for about a week.
I think might try leaving her door open all night and see if that would be better for her. I have noticed that she is more active at night and she usually sends most of her day hiding.
I have to make Micah stay outside if I leave Heidi's door open. Micah can't be trusted, and I don't want Heidi to have access to the doggy door. I don't want to rush Heidi, but we need to get this done before the weather turns cold. I can't make Micah stay outside if it is to hot or to cold.
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 14, 2014 14:08:08 GMT
I thought I would give a quick update on Heidi. She is still in her room. The door was open for several nights before this cold front came in, and I had to close it, so Micah could sleep inside. She just doesn't seem to care to come out. Today, I will be able to open it for most of the day as soon as it warms up outside.
I have been spending some time with her in the evening, just after sunset. That way it is sort of dark in her room, but there is still enough light to see her. She is very nocturnal. The kittens are happy to go with me, and we have been sitting on the floor playing with cat toys. Heidi, to my surprise has been joining in, a little bit. Last night, when Heidi was close, I rubbed my hand back and forth, on the carpet, in front of her. (Normally I never play with the cats with my hands, but use toys for play.) As I was sliding my hand back and forth, Heidi put her paw right on top of my hand. I was so surprised. She didn't keep her paw there long, but I was happy she seems to be considering a friendship.
I know she is a cat, and came from a domesticated animal, but there is something thrilling, about watching something so wild, begin to trust. It must feel a lot like, when a wild mustang begins to trust their human partner. I realize a mustang is a lot bigger, but I don't think, as individual animals, they are all that different. Wild is wild, and trust is trust.
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Sept 14, 2014 15:13:19 GMT
I know what you mean. It is the same, for me at least, having an animal that is so afraid learn to trust. It is very emotional! It could be that one reason it's taking this long is that, maybe, she just isn't a "cuddly" personality. I have cats that want to be touched and loved on as much as possible, all the way to ones that allow a few strokes and they are done. Just like people, some are very social and some aren't; and everything in between! I have had two that were very distant for years and only now want attention. Tabitha is one, she is 10 years old and it's only been the last two that she wants attention. Now she sleeps with me every night, sometimes under the covers. She is in my face for loving first! Like a total change after close to 8 years. That is very unusual, but it can happen. Let her be herself, just let her know you are open to whatever she is capable of giving.
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 14, 2014 16:01:06 GMT
I don't mind if she is distant. My only goal is that she be happy, healthy, and content. I was so worried that I would be doing her a disservice, by my wanting her to stay inside, if she really wanted to be an outside cat. I would let her make her own choice though. I am thinking now, that she doesn't mind being an indoor cat, because she doesn't even want to leave her room.
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Post by horselady on Sept 14, 2014 23:59:25 GMT
She is learning to trust you thru her kittens. they are teaching her that you and your house are great, food. love and attention. she still considers that room her room and her domain and will still take time for her to come to the other parts of the house. and yes wild is wild. or cautious and untrusting. to revert to tame and trust takes time. you are doing a great job. cat1
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 15, 2014 0:32:31 GMT
Thank you HL. Up until now all our house cats have been strays, that have showed up on our door step. This is the first time I have ever worked with a truly feral cat. All I can do is the best I can. The rest is up to her.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Sept 15, 2014 12:30:21 GMT
I'm so happy to hear that Heidi is starting to think about becoming a bit more social and trusting. Keep up the good work (and updates!).
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 19, 2014 2:56:11 GMT
Last night after the kittens, and I left Heidi's room she came out into the kitchen for a bit. She did the same thing tonight. When I go into her room the kittens follow me. They walk up to her, sort of sideways, then put their heads on the floor, and pull them selves along the floor, right to her. Then they roll onto their back and reach for her with their paws. Ok I am not going to roll around on the floor, but I do walk in and try to slowly slide to the floor, with my best cat impersonation, that I can muster. Then I stretch, again trying to mimic the cats, then look at my hands. No I am not going to lick my hands, but I will concentrate on one, turning it slowly, to see each side. That seems to put Heidi at ease. When I want to look at her, I close my eyes half way. She doesn't seem to get defensive, and tense if I do that.
I think the language of cats must be as intricate, and subtle, as horse language. Heidi has been quickly coming to sniff me, which is a little scary. I am still not sure she won't bite me, but I hope not. She isn't really sure how to speak human either, but she does touch my hand slightly with her paw, before she withdraws. I guess, all I can do is keep trying to learn to talk cat, until Heidi gives up on me ever learning to do it correctly, and starts making me do her bidding, by speaking the cat equivalent to human.
You know Meow, rub, purrrrr, and I say "oh yes I'll get you a cat treat." cat1
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Sept 19, 2014 12:24:26 GMT
I'm sorry DG but I had to laugh at the picture of you sliding across the floor like a cat. I'm glad to hear things are slowly improving. Let us know what else you learn in "cat" so maybe we can all talk to our cats. Perhaps Lipizzan can use it to help Srecko!
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Sept 19, 2014 14:29:12 GMT
I have to say, considering the things I've done "communicating" w/ cats, dogs and horses, you've got me beat!
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 20, 2014 4:04:34 GMT
Just wanted to make a quick update, then I will bump Srećko's thread to get it back on top, but Heidi is out of her room. I had nothing to do with it. I had her door open, with Micah locked outside. Buster needed to go out, and Heidi must have been in the kitchen when he went to the back door. I shut her door as usual, in case Micah came in when I opened the back door , and closed the screen door I made to keep her out of the house, so she can't get to the kittens. I let Buster out, and when I turned around, there she was, staring at me from under the kitchen table.
I am so torn. My heart wants to let her back into her safe room, but my head knows, for her to become a real house cat she has to come out. I think I will keep her out for tonight, then see if she really wants to go back into her prison tomorrow.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Sept 20, 2014 14:13:47 GMT
How did she do last night being locked out of her safe room? Sounds like she's making really good progress at learning to come out into the rest of the house.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Sept 20, 2014 16:38:28 GMT
I'm curious too how she did last night out in the house.
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Post by diamondgirl on Sept 20, 2014 17:12:08 GMT
Well she is still out of her room, but has taken up residence in the pantry in the kitchen. She did try to go down stairs last evening, but didn't make it all the way down the stairs before she got scared and came back up. She is frightened, but I think I will continue, to keep up with the tough love,, and keep her door shut. All the cat food and litter boxes are down stairs so Buster doesn't help himself. She will have to go check it out eventually. I do have the kitten food and water on the stairs, so I can keep an eye on them without having to go all the way down. She went passed them last night, so she knows where they are. I think we are still dealing with her nocturnal nature. I am anxious to see if she relaxes some more tonight.
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kskatt
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Heidi
Sept 20, 2014 18:09:18 GMT
Post by kskatt on Sept 20, 2014 18:09:18 GMT
I'm not sure about locking her out of her safe room, why?
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