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Post by horselover4life on Jun 18, 2015 14:32:46 GMT
Carshon...my neighbor said the exact same thing as you.
She had 80+ head of cattle and 2 horses, they did not share a pasture either.
We spoke this morning and she has some "feelings" along the same line as my own about "CAUTION" leaving my boy their....
So I will go often to check on him, make sure he is not dropping weight I fought hard to get on him, he is not marked from harsh treatment and he is happy.
If I have a doubt...I will get our truck & trailer, haul immediately and get him home where he will get what he needs...
I will also kick myself around the back 40 for doing him wrong. 
Right now though I want to give him time to settle and see if he thrives or not, is good under-saddle for them or not and time for the true colors of those whose care I entrusted him too to show their true colors...
I reserved the right to bring him home at any time, and they can come get their horse same way.
I can guarantee though when and or if their horse returns he will be clean, fatter and have some ground manners on him and be UTD on feet, worming and vaccinations. His coggins...well that is also due but not doing that till I sign the dotted line!
Well, just hung up the phone with "the girl"...
She has had him for some months now and no farrier care was done. Phone call out for my farrier to come look and see what is what..........
My reservations are rising on the lifestyle my horse will have.... CAUTION is the word of choice right now!!
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Post by horselady on Jun 18, 2015 19:34:46 GMT
You have a long way to go yet before this horse gets his round happy attitude and i know you will give him time. sounds like a nice horse just left with the cows was not a situation that is ideal for any horse.
thru my horse rescue i had a couple with a daughter that wanted to adopt a horse and when i heard the two of them say the horse was going to be in the field with 20 cows i refused to adopt. they pleaded that they would build a shelter and fence an area for him. well i still refused.
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Post by mistersmom on Jun 19, 2015 15:23:52 GMT
Yes, he's a little thin but nothing that some good feeding can take care of. I couldn't see too well but I like the look in his eyes and his ears. Hopefully once he gets a bit of stabilization in his life, he will blossom into his full potential.
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Post by redzip on Jun 19, 2015 15:30:35 GMT
Awww, he looks sweet HL4L  Glad you have him,., you will give him GOOD care. How old is he? Just wonder if some of it is age related as well apple |
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 19, 2015 16:30:11 GMT
Thank-you mistersmom.....
red, I was told he is around 18 - 19... I have not looked, and am not the greatest at teeth aging.
Chance is around the same age too from the vets appraisal.
Chance came to me thin too and it took some time but he now is just drop-dead gorgeous!!
I plan on making him stay that way if I can....one-way or the other!
On another unrelated thought...
We just had a truck come in to weed & feed our pastures so everyone is home at my house in my paddock, the new guy is enjoying my backyard to munch in...
All I can say is not one horse here was disturbed by the noises of that truck...noisy, banging spray rods....nope, no one even raised their head to look at it..
If Chance was here I would of been out their soothing him and keeping him from a lathered frenzy possibly...
I just will have a very large paddock and yard clean-up to do now later on.
I was just going out to mow my backyard, came in for the bathroom and cold water bottle then mow for 3 hours...
Instead now I get to sit here and write to my friends...the mowing will wait till the horses all can go back home safely later on the grass again..
I am going to later roll the lip for a tattoo. Swear he is a Thoroughbred by how he is shaped.. except for coloring he is my Jerry horse in build. To ride and see what I have is the next step. Adding some weight too.... if he goes back, a LARGE if...he will return in better condition than he arrived in.
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 19, 2015 16:46:52 GMT
He looks great although he is bit underweight. Nothing that cant be fixed, specially with your knowlege. He is gorgeous
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Post by redzip on Jun 19, 2015 16:58:44 GMT
Ya know a thought that crossed my mind the other day,.., I wonder how good a round pen is for desensitizing the truly spooky nervous horse. They can't really get away from the scary things and if they move, they end up exercising themselves. Kind of a 'self teaching' moment for them bc they cause themselves the extra work,.., Ahh, just a thought that crossed my mind  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 17:44:50 GMT
I would agree that he is likely a Thoroughbred or at least half thoroughbred. His hip and neck are just like Apollo's and his shoulder is similar to Benny's. If he really is 18 + there is a good chance his tattoo will be very faded or illegible.
As you have said, he could stand to pick up some weight, but that will come with time and TLC. He looks like a very sweet boy.
Good for you for continuing to monitor how Chance is adjusting and I am sure whatever decision you come to in the end will be the right one by him.
Glad to hear your son is willing to give this new guy a fair shake. Moving on from a beloved partner is hard, and they can always hold a place in our hearts, but sometimes we need to do what is best for both ourselves and our equine partners.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 19, 2015 17:50:23 GMT
Love the thought red but my issues came no matter where I was.
In the pasture riding, in our paddock, on trails....
More it was when, as in time-frame, then what it was.
Chance is very smart, once he has your number you are sunk! mini-graphics-smileys-026108
He and I had one go-round he will never forget...HE LOST!! wag finger
He will do as I say on the ground.
Even astride if I can catch him quick enough it is just a "QUIT" and he is over it.
But it is my son who rides and he has his number.
My son is not afraid, but I am as I realize the peril he could be in and the bad hurt he could get or worse if this behavior is at the wrong time, place and second!
Can't use him for a competition horse either as he doesn't cope well in new surroundings... wag finger
He spooked so bad the other night he took me right off my feet! Holy cow was it quick...if anyone else holding him they would of lost him and their footing I'm positive!
He jumped that fast and that far...but he stayed with me just shook like a leaf in fear.
Never left my side, just moved me with him as I was holding him close as we came off and around the trailer unloading..
757724 + afraid = mini-graphics-smileys-026108 ......
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Post by carshon on Jun 19, 2015 20:54:52 GMT
Do you think their is a possibility that Chance it deaf or partially blind? We had a mare that was slowly going blind in one eye and as it progressed she became so jumpy as to be unridable unless she was at home.
I think your new boy will come right along and can't wait to see pics of him soon.
And to Red- the round pen kind of works in theory but not all of the time. My 19 year old son confessed about a year ago that he used to chase Naughty Steve around the pasture on his 4-wheeler. He and his chums thought it was funny that he would just spaz out and run- so they used to chase him and corner him. Steve was a colt and youngish at the time and the boys eventually stopped- to this day if we ride the 4-wheeler too close he spaz's- and we have tried everything! if you go slowly you can ride past him most days but if you even go in the hay field at any speed he will high tail it away. Has made for interesting moments on the shared trails in our area - and a few unexpected dismounts for me. The round pen did not work for us - just reinforced that the 4-wheeler was a scary attacking monster.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 19, 2015 21:38:52 GMT
Carshon....see the chat box below....
The vet has given a clean bill of health to Chance. I thought those things too and had him "inspected" for a medical cause.
I know for a fact he can hear....and hear well. I call him and he comes running from 4 acres away at a gallop!
His eyes have been checked and nothing is seen, detected...no scars, no cataracts, no injuries.... from what we can detect he sees just fine.
At this point in time I have to think it is a habit. He was owned by a kid, who lost interest after she found boys.
But before that my understanding is she rode him hard all the time and was not kind. He learned how to scare her and if he scared her by dumping her she would not get back on and ride him more...
I do believe that is also why he is so afraid to be bitted...cruel hands. His mouth had scabs on the corners when we got him.
He had been "rescued" and was already recovering for some time before we took ownership.
This issue has become a problem as we rode him more, asked for more from him....self-defense.
In his case though, he is putting himself out of my home and control though as the horse I require for my son can't do this and I am unable to fix it as I am not the very strong rider I was at one time...
I too am only coming back to riding after many years away from injuries due to a car accident I was in...I also can't afford to hit the ground to many times before I will forever break..
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Post by horselady on Jun 20, 2015 0:44:07 GMT
Seeing those photos is just proof that he sure does need some tlc, and appendix, just let go, perhaps is his breed. unless of course there is a tattoo. but there is tb in there somewhere. my way of thinking is if you are concerned about chance and you in your heart think he will not be happy or taken care of than go get him. OR give it a couple of weeks to see where this horse stands in your program and that way you can visit chance two or three times to see his condition. At that point you can make a determination as to if you want to bring him home . Good luck and many  in this awful decision making process. IT AIN'T EASY .. |
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 20, 2015 2:07:35 GMT
Thanks guys for your honest thoughts and opinions...
We will check on our boy tomorrow....up close and hands on.
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Post by mistersmom on Jun 24, 2015 2:24:51 GMT
hl4l - how are things going?
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Post by hugs on Jun 25, 2015 12:58:13 GMT
What a journey! I just reread this thread... a couple thoughts come to mind as I read the "new" stuff:
Comforting a scared animal.
This info comes from a dog trainer Schoen and I went to, so maybe it doesn't apply because of the predator/prey thing. But Schoenie "over" reacted (my assessment, not his) to a new dog I would comfort him. Well, he wasn't scared and in need of comfort and by my showing him attention I was showing him that his reaction was warranted and appreciated.
But Chance was shaking, certainly he was scared and in need of comfort.
Either way, the attention is showing him that he indeed has something to fear and so reinforcing his behavior.
Now please, I am not saying you are responsible for Chance's "over" reaction (again, "over" is in quotes because quite clearly WE think it's an over reaction but the animals definitely don't, they think their behavior is justified), not saying that at all. I'm saying that I am very careful to try to assess how my attention to an animal will be seen in their eyes.
Now here is the other part, was Chance's shaking really fear? I'm not so sure. We think, that if a horse is in a pasture versus a round pen then they shouldn't be claustrophobic, but maybe the panels aren't the only way to make a horse feel "contained" or penned in? Maybe even just the nonreaction of other horses and their not moving out and away compelled Chance to stay in place and feel claustrophobic with a build up of energy that had no good way to escape and so he stood there and trembled?
I think the "build up of energy" and "fear" might look to us as the same, i.e., trembling. Perhaps under it all they are the same, I don't know but I do know that when I take Peaches out of the pasture and think I'm going to ride her in the round pen she'll "over react" and when I allow her to move her feet at the speed she needs she'll lower her energy and be able to stand still or do quieter, smaller things for me, even in a small round pen.
Now to the point I always want to get; how to train the "over reactive" that is high energy over fear (if it exists).
* Standing in place trembling from fear or build up of energy is a good thing. How do we reward that? Release the pressure, simply get their mind on some/anything that they can do with total confidence and allow their emotions/energy level to go back to "zero", then repeat each time. If you can recreate the trigger, so much the better.
Sorry for the book but I'm working through the same kind of thing. And all these years with Peaches I see the high energy thing come out from under the fear. They are definitely not the same and shouldn't be treated the same. I also am beginning to believe that "doing the same thing" with different "intentions" makes all the difference in the world to a horse, but to an outside person, it may not seem different. It's the intention that is more key.
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Post by horselady on Jun 25, 2015 19:16:56 GMT
hl4l is away for a few days so she will update possibly on the weekend .
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Post by hugs on Jun 25, 2015 21:29:58 GMT
hl4l is away for a few days so she will update possibly on the weekend . okey dokey, thanks for letting us know  |
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 3, 2015 1:21:36 GMT
Eek....... to many days and much to tell.
So, Duke, a new name for the new horse is staying.
Had the vet out and although he has issues of underweight and low muscle tone he is healthy.
So, he stays and will be cared for as we do all our animals.
So far he has probably put on I'm guessing 50 pounds in the time we got him {22 days}.
His ribs and spine area show improvement and coverage starting along with his butt filling in some. Much needs to take place but a beginning.
I had his vaccinations updated so now I know he is protected, a health assessment done including flexion tests as he has some very nasty scars on his hind legs probably from getting caught in barb wire at some time...
New coggins pulled and vet will return in a few days to make sure all is well and to do his teeth at that time. His teeth/jaw align great, he has good teeth but they need attention. So a floating soon, plaque removal and careful watching yet to make sure he is on the road to recovery.
Now, the other part is...
Chance is home! 
We went and got him tonight.
I've been going and seeing him every other day and just didn't like what I saw happening so he is still mine and told them I was coming and getting him.
Arrived about 5 hours later with the trailer and he is home.
All the horses were happy to see him with whinnies of greeting.
Duke and Chance met, had their squeals and feet stomping.
Now all is quiet and peaceful...hope it stays that way overnight. I will check on them a few times tonight to make sure all is still good.
I will start a search for a new human for Chance soon...
757724 first some much needed TLC.
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Post by mistersmom on Jul 3, 2015 1:38:45 GMT
How exciting that Duke is staying. He is getting some much needed care from you for sure. Has your son warmed up to him?
And I know you wouldn't have brought Chance home so quickly unless you were not happy with his care. I hope he's not too bad after 22 days. I'm sure you will get him right as rain in no time and find him a fabulous home.
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 3, 2015 3:01:12 GMT
My son is starting to get excited about "Duke"...... 
Now we know he is staying put...time will tell.
The horse has incredible potential. To watch him move running in the pasture is breath-taking.
He floats and has such extension!! He looks Thoroughbred but when he arches that neck swear he is a Arab!!
My vet really liked him and said "Diamond in the Rough"... 
TLC and a human for his own...no telling where we will end up.
A trusty mount for my son is all I ask, safety & security to have some fun together.
I have peace of mind that now the animal is UTD or soon to be completed work by the vet and farrier...no telling what was or was not done in some areas so all was done...it is only $$
Some things you can't put a price on though!! 
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