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Post by spirithawk06 on Mar 14, 2016 23:34:14 GMT
Crescent is a 6 year old bay mare. We're not sure the breed. She's a bit high strung but really respectful and listens well under saddle. Mom and Dad bought a trailer and she came with it. What do y'all think she is? She has put on a bit of weight since we got her, but she looks like she'd be a naturally lean horse.
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Post by horselady on Mar 15, 2016 0:23:56 GMT
Gee her name is crescent?? wonder why?? lol l well she looks lovely and full of her self. very proud. clean legs and smart attentive eye. i think tb qh cross leaning more to tb with that long back and lean legs. and she could use more weight and perhaps bulk up with exercise. that is a new one. buy trailer loaded with horse. lol she is lovely
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Post by horselover4life on Mar 15, 2016 0:33:41 GMT
I don't think she will be a tank, but lean... not when she is fully weighted. She is a "girl" and has the body of a girl currently. Not heavy and coarse...but finer built
I think you have some sort of appendix.... She has the body length and physical build of a Thoroughbred with a head of one too... Nice shaped ears and a wide forehead with intelligent eyes.... She has a well-sprung ribcage so not "slight" when astride but something to rest your leg against when riding. She has been neglected for quite a while it appears with her appearance....once she has good food and nutrition...wow!!
I wonder if she has some "Walker" in her as she exhibits some of that breeds traits too...
She is cute and going to be really pretty and striking when she has some groceries and sheds out that yucky coat... Some TLC to her mane and forelock....knockout potential. When she is muscled up she is going to be...wow! Seriously a WOW!!
If she rides as nice as she is going to look...you have a treasure.
Was she abused physically? mini-graphics-smileys-861556 Her first picture her stance looks fearful.
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Post by spirithawk06 on Mar 15, 2016 0:51:32 GMT
She is very quick and high strung. She is well trained and seriously respectful on the lead, lunges like a dream, but is very quick on the trigger. You clap, and she wants to run. I'm wondering if she is from the track. It is a bit odd how respectful she is on the lead but how jumpy she is at the same time. She stops the moment you stop, doesn't crowd, doesn't rub her head on you or run you over, stays right with you, and won't eat until you tell her she can.
She was wormed and is already putting on some weight. We're in between grasses right now but she has constant access to a hay bale and we've talked about putting her on beet pulp or something similar to put some flesh on her. She was on sweet feed where she was but as hot as she already is, I really don't think that sweet feed was helping any. She has gained a bit since we got her. Her ribs were prominent when she came home. I'll have to get some more updated pictures since those were from a week-two weeks ago and she's filled in a bit and we've brushed off most of that gross coat. Very dry and yucky. We could tell she wasn't getting the best nutrition. I tackled one side and Daddy tackled the other while Mom was feeding her and got the majority of it off with shedding blades.
Mom rode her already and she appears to be well-trained.
We do think she's either very high strung or was abused. The guy who had her said she never would calm down around men and we've noticed that it takes her longer to trust a man. He didn't do much with her or have her long. She came with the trailer to his place and he just put her in the pasture and didn't really do much other than feed her and rode her once or twice.
Apollo kicked her and bit her sides up and she let me soak her leg with no problems once she realized I wasn't trying to hurt her (Another reason why Apollo is for sale. Every horse in the pasture but him was all bitten up with hoof-shaped marks). Took fly spray like a champ and was a dream for the farrier despite her skittishness. Mom hasn't ridden her again while we let her rest the leg Apollo kicked. She's nearly fully healed now though.
We've been working on just desensitizing her to the normal things that she's spooking at. Yesterday, I wasn't really paying attention to what I was doing and tossed something against some tin and she didn't even flinch (for the first time).
I think she is just going to need some time. She's starting to be okay around Daddy. He makes sure to lead her around every time they come to show her that he won't hurt her and she's just starting to relax a bit with him.
$800 for trailer and horse and they said something about papers when the trailer/horse is paid off.
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Post by horselover4life on Mar 15, 2016 1:39:07 GMT
Roll her upper lip....
If she is a registered Thoroughbred and was at/on the track she is tattooed. She could be a Thoroughbred and never ran, in which case she may not have that tattoo.
I personally don't like beet pulp fed in large amounts.... Beet pulp is what they use to fatten cattle for market. I find it puts a gut on horses but hard to move that to the topline... I've fed it many, many years ago to competition show horses and their looks SUCKED in no time with big guts and top line lost...just my opinion. Try cool calories, fats...to put weight on her. I would dump the sweet feed myself...she doesn't need a sugar rush in her system. She might enjoy having some alfalfa cubes or pellets {soaked} to help repair and calm her gut if she is at all ulcer prone. Alfalfa also puts weight on. High in protein it will help her gain muscle and topline too with some exercise. Use it in addition to her regular ration. Otherwise I would add a feed with a high percentage of fat, or a fat supplement like Purina Amplify or Nutrena Empower Boost....all the big feed mills have their own "fat supplement". I also like Seminole brand Senior Wellness style feed in the purple bag....high in fat, good protein, good fiber and added vitamins and minerals she is so needing to replenish what is lacking.
She probably hasn't had consistent nutrition in some time.... She will now!!
Someone did some join-up with her if she shadows you like that....someone cared for her and about her a lot at one time. She probably has some good training in her too I bet... Right now she is scared, scared to be hit, scared of being abused and scared she is going to go hungry... Wait till she realizes she only gets love and kindness at your home... She will stand on her head to please you, bet she will when she understands she has nothing to fear anymore!
Enjoy the project.
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 15, 2016 1:57:26 GMT
I think she is just adorable! Her face looks just like a OTTB I rode a few times at the barn called Winner. Check her upper lip for a tattoo, especially if the seller mentioned something about papers. If you can read the tattoo clearly, you can call the Jockey Club to get info on her. Even if you can just read the first letter, you will know what year she was born.
Best of luck with her!
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Post by mingiz on Mar 15, 2016 3:04:44 GMT
I think she sounds like a diamond in the rough. With some weight and muscle tone she will look great. Horses that come from the track scene are usually pretty use to a lot of things. But she could of had a rough trainer or groom. But I'm sure you will give her plenty of love and she will give plenty back. Congrats!!
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Post by Lipizzan on Mar 15, 2016 9:21:49 GMT
She is pretty and nice color too. I hope you will put a time and energy in her and she will reword you with her love. I think she looks smart, fast because of those long legs, and very loving Congrats
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Post by carshon on Mar 15, 2016 16:45:51 GMT
My mare was abused and did not trust men. To this day she has to do the pat down when a man she does not know comes around. The man has to stand perfectly still and let her approach and she sniffs him all over and make sure he does not have a whip. She has cleared a 5ft fence when my hubby walked toward her with a lunge whip- he was just holding it and she was in her run in and say him walking with a whip and that was it! I have her 7 years and she is lot better than when I got her but it has taken patience and a lot of time spent with my hubby and son. She is very pretty. have fun!
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Post by spirithawk06 on Mar 17, 2016 0:51:21 GMT
Most of the nasty winter hair is off. We're going to trim the brittle, dry, gross hair at the tips of her mane and tail. She was actually relaxed with Daddy before I started snapping pictures. She's calming down quite a bit. We had to stall her because she won't stop running on that leg and it was swollen this afternoon. Daddy was holding her while we were finishing setting up her stall. It's large enough for her to move around in but not big enough for her to run. Vet will be called out if stall rest doesn't help. Soaking it twice a day and going to be calling to see what else we can do until we can haul her out to the clinic. She was doing well but she just won't stay still in the field.
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Post by horselover4life on Mar 17, 2016 10:10:03 GMT
She's looking good spirit..... some more weight to gain, then you can start working on the muscling.
I believe I see some dapples hiding, now emerging with her shedding. A true work in progress.
Don't trim that tail much as she will need it for fly protection! Remember to go from the underside if you razor or cut with a scissor smiley afraid the "dead" mane hairs... Remove tiny amounts.... it comes off fast and takes soooooo long to grow back. Have you tried to condition the mane & tail first before snipping?
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Post by Lipizzan on Mar 18, 2016 12:53:23 GMT
Good legs. Needs weight on and muscles. She looks very calm and soft. Nice color too
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Post by Terry on Mar 18, 2016 16:42:34 GMT
She's lovely! Such a sweet face. mini-graphics-valentine-940295 She looks to me to be at least part Thoroughbred. I agree with what others have said, roll up her upper lip and see if there is a tattoo on the underside of her lip. If she's Thoroughbred and was race trained, she should have a tattoo which you can then look up on the Jockey Club website. Good luck with her. She sounds like a diamond in the rough.
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Post by spirithawk06 on Apr 22, 2016 3:05:23 GMT
I have a rather sad update on Crescent.
Someone lied about this horse and it caused both my mom (minor bruises and sore) and the mare (aggravated an old injury) to get hurt. I am still rather angry, but now I'm more sad that this beautiful mare is ruined due to someone's rough handling.
Crescent has a stifle injury that never healed and a possible luxating patella. We learned about the stifle injury when Mom realized she was too hot and quick for her and tried to sell or trade her for a calmer horse. The gentleman who had originally bought Crescent from Texas contacted us and came show us where she was injured. Once we knew what to look for, we realized what we had thought was an abscess or lameness from getting kicked was really her previous injury bothering her. She is not sound for anything other than being a pasture pet.
We were told she was ridable when we got her, which was why Mom agreed to take her with the trailer. We didn't get a vet check because the horse came from a friend we trusted and was a package deal with the trailer. I wasn't with them when they brought her home and we assumed the lameness that came up 2 days after we got her was due to Apollo tormenting her. A vet looked at her when he came out for Apollo's coggins and to assess Melody's fetlock for surgery and said she also appears to have a luxating patella as well as the stifle injury and he recommends not even breeding her and definitely not riding her.
Mom can't afford a pasture pet who obviously needs more vet attention to stay comfortable in addition to a riding horse, which was the only reason why she took Crescent in the first place, to have a horse she could ride when we go trail riding and go to parades and such. We looked around for a pasture home, but most people only wanted her to breed or we had others private message us warning us not to give her to that person.
The guy we got her from claims he didn't know about her injury, that he was told she limped after hard work once but nothing about the major injury and was told she was quarter horse. The guy who gave her to him as a pasture companion to a pony said he disclosed everything and was assured she would be a pasture pet only and not sold or given away, and he was quite upset. She's also an appendix, not a QH. We really don't know who to believe, but either way, the mare is not what was advertised to us. The guy we got her from said that he was going to come get her if we no longer wanted her, but then today said he's out of town and if we wanted him to take her back, we'd have to bring her. We loaded her up and brought her. He said he's taking her to LSU Vet school to check into her injuries and see if anything can be done and then put her back out in his big pasture. Hopefully, she'll be okay just living as a horse.
I'm incredibly sad. Mom had already fallen in love with her and she was beginning to trust us as much as she could. She was abused. She was broken down and crippled trying to "break" her by a trainer in Texas. I'm disgusted with the human race right now.
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Post by horselover4life on Apr 22, 2016 10:29:20 GMT
Very sad indeed spirit.....
The saddest part to all this is she is going to change hands again and again and again....
The guy who sold the "package deal"..... Honestly do you really think he did not know the horse was unrideable? He got caught.... wag finger He knew,he was hoping she would not come apart, he be finger-pointed at for not disclosing a true lameness issue. If she was rideable he would of sold her, not given her away with "the package deal" as he did...riding horses are worth money. Even ones who are "hot", need some work...they are still worth something, not unloaded "free" in a package deal. Watch the ads closely as a little time will elapse an she will again be on the market as a riding, breeding horse or if lucky, a "pasture puff"... I would also be disgusted with those that knew and deceived you.....
Sadly, in this horses case...there will be worse things than death facing her again. She knew love, kindness and pasture companionship.... I really hope she finds that again... If this "gentleman" keeps her she will again be kept and treated by him as he was doing when you took pity and brought her home...around and around she goes.
So the search again begins for your mom to find a horse to ride.... Not sure exactly how far away you are from Florida, but do look on Craigslist in the northern areas...lately there have been many nice horses for "cheap" prices. Families falling on hard times and needing to sell the family horse, but otherwise look pretty decent...some elbow grease and some need a few groceries, light riding and they are good to go... Some are young, many are teens, all are near dirt cheap!! ...think you could use these right now!
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Post by spirithawk06 on Apr 22, 2016 11:45:59 GMT
Horselady, we are pretty sure we know who lied, but I'm not going to state that publicly. I'm just disgusted by the situation all around. We hurt her trying to ride her not knowing. She appeared sound when we rode her because her hip was back in place and her knee wasn't displaced either, but riding made them slip again and Mom fell off due in part to Crescent trying to avoid the pain and moving quickly and jarringly. I'm just still pissed about the fact that someone did not disclose that mare's injury and someone could have gotten hurt worse.
The guy she went back to doesn't abuse his animals as far as I can see. He runs a business and has a federal vet out every 3 months, so he's held accountable for his animals' health and has always had healthy animals. She'll just be left in a pasture with other horses and cows and pulled for vet check ups, hooves, etc. and not handled, which is how she was before we got her. We're praying that she doesn't get bumped around again and again and I feel incredibly guilty for betraying that mare's trust yet again, but it was an impossible situation for my parents. They considered euthanasia as well, but Mom just couldn't do it.
The whole situation just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. My heart breaks for that mare and for my family.
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Post by horselover4life on Apr 22, 2016 15:31:37 GMT
I'm confused spirit.... The guy you got her from is the person you bought the trailer from and she came along as "free" added baggage, correct? So, when you got her and the trailer she was thin, wormy, not being fed the best food, but was being fed. So this guy with the trailer an horse package only just got her from Texas, tossed her in a field then decided to sell the trailer and you could take the horse with it for free??? Am I still on the right path?..... Now this person sells to your mom a trailer and represents the horse as sound and rideable. He never checked her out, just tossed her in a field with other animals and then decides he is giving her away without knowing if she is worth $$ as a riding horse... So, this man that is willingly taking her back is some type of business owner that requires a federal vet to oversee his establishment and animals care every quarter{3 months}... ...
I feel so bad for you and your mom... This "guy" took her, period. When you called him on it he immediately said, "I'll take her back, but you will need to deliver as I'm out of town." He wasn't coming for her, but he had a delivery from you! He bluffed and figured if he didn't show then you would keep and deal with her and her issues instead of him. You realize because of the federal oversight you know he is under you had a far different reaction because if you made a formal complaint against him, fireworks could of happened. I hope you know positively why and what this guy is being "oversight/inspected" for by LDofA&F....their staff and veterinarians. If this guy really is going to spend the money on a horse he was told has a permanent injury not allowing her to do anything but be a pasture ornament at the University for injury clarification....great! Remember though he also did not pay for this horse but was given her and she was to remain with him as a companion animal only. Then he sent her down the road, claiming her a riding animal...so is he really going to follow through? Someone is not telling the truth, or all of the complete story...makes me wonder though that the man who had her in Texas suddenly shows up and divulges all to you... Honestly, if all is as told to you...the best thing possibly is euthanasia. The horse hurts. Her injury can not take much stress or it has a misalignment and causes serious discomfort and dangerous living conditions for the horse... I would be curious if her "injury" was not a injury but birth defect... I dealt with stifle injuries in the hunter/jumper show world and also patella issues... there is more going on here than you are being told. I'm so sorry.
A article I went searching for about the type of injury you are referring to....a read you might want to do. www.thehorse.com/articles/12421/stifle-problems This site is one I would suggest all horse owners join. It is free to join and a wealth of factual information written so it is easily understood.
Again, I am so sorry spirit. Continue to look for that special companion for mom....you will find what you seek. That special horse exists...you just need to look closely for the hidden gem to richly glow in your care.
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Post by horselady on Apr 22, 2016 19:10:12 GMT
Spirit,, you did not mean me/ as for crescent. well she is not at your home now and is back at the man's house/farm that sold you the trailer. and is going to be takiing her to lsu for evaluation. ? wonder why the original owner did not take her back if he was so upset and turn her out to pasture instead of this mare being tossed around like a used saddle. and yes people suck.
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Post by spirithawk06 on Apr 22, 2016 20:20:23 GMT
Sorry, let me clarify She was bought by a guy, let's call him J, from Texas. He discovered her injury had been caused by abuse where he got her from in TX and was not sound but could be a pasture companion. She has faint scars from the area that a vet said was likely from whatever trauma injured her, scars that you'd see only if you were looking for them. J gave her to R as a pasture pet to go along with a pony R got from J. When mom bought the trailer from R, he gave her Crescent. R said she wouldn't bond with him, and he knew Mom was looking for a horse, and he didn't have the time to work with her like my parents would. We didn't think anything of it because we're friends with R and I've been given free horses before, one of them being my awesome gelding Star. We did find out from J that she never keeps weight on. She's too high strung. He couldn't keep weight on her either. She was being given feed at R's place, but it was sweet feed, so definitely not what she needed. She was due for a worming anyway, so we wormed her. She gained a little weight at our place, but not much and was still very thin despite our best efforts. Dr. Bat told us she can't handle much more weight anyway, so keeping her thin is a "good" thing. J can't take her back now because he has no room. He assumed she would be cared for and left it at that until he saw the ad. Both of us trusted R. R took the horse back and he runs a petting zoo with exotics, so that's why he has a federally appointed vet check every 3 months, because of his licensing. Unless he dumps her off on another unsuspecting person, she'll have to be cared for at his place or he could lose his licensing. Like I said earlier, I'll keep my suspicions to myself. I'm trusting, but not that naive. Needless to say, we'll be less trusting in the future, which sucks. Sorry horselady, I typed the wrong name.
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Post by horselover4life on Apr 22, 2016 21:26:21 GMT
I'm sorry spirit.... I did not mean to be accusing.... I really was not getting it and writing it so you can clarify seemed OK when I was typing away... If it distresses you let me know and I will remove it immediately. mini-graphics-smileys-484642 ...my bad!!
You, your mom & dad and the horse have all been taken for a ride....
If there is justice, it is that she was returned to a place where there is federal oversight and she must be cared for appropriately medically, farrier work and fed properly...
I'm just sorry that it happened to all of you. You have hearts of gold and so wanted her to be "the one" getting a forever home. I do have to believe that there is a bigger plan you are not yet aware of with the perfect horse waiting for you to find him/her!! ..soon, very soon.
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