mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jun 20, 2014 2:10:25 GMT
I was sitting on the couch playing on note book and I heard Molly. It sounded like she was going to throw up. I looked down and the poor thing was having a seizure. I have never had a dog do that!!! So I started rubbing on her and talking to her. It lasted about 5 mins. I had Lint call one of the local vets. Of course they were already closed. But the vet did call back and told us to give her some karo syrup if she continued to have them to call him back. So we gave her about 2 tablespoons of it and she came back to being herself. So far she hasn't had another one. It was scary for sure.
Jess was reading up on it and said it could have been caused by an old injury to the head. Or low sugar. I do know that she was hit by the horses when she was out in their field and didn't get away fast enough. But where I do not know...
Has anyone had any experience with seizure's in dogs.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Jun 20, 2014 3:29:47 GMT
Poor Molly.  That is so scary! I hope she doesn't have anymore seizures. |
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 20, 2014 11:16:16 GMT
Unfortunately Ming I have experience from my/our lab Max.
We found through research that some breeds are common to have seizures especially in males...and that also injury can trigger them too.
There are tests that can be done, some are very expensive and not definitive proof of anything.
Take note of how she acts if she has another and you see it start. Make note of her activity or anything Molly has done prior to, during and after it happens.
Looking off to space, fixed eyes, respond to your voice, shake or convulse...the vets need to know anything and everything you can give them information wise to help with diagnosis.
Our guy was disoriented after a seizure, softly touching and speaking to him helped to orient him and get him to lay quietly while he recovered...
With our guy we never could pinpoint why he had seizures, they just developed. In our case, seizures was another complication or added combination to the Lupus like disease he developed.
{Our dogs seizures were multiple ones every day. When they occurred he was terrified and tried to crawl inside you if he could...Max was 110 pounds of solid muscle so a scary thought trying to comfort a dog of his size who is out-of-their-mind scared!! He nearly smothered me to death one morning when a seizure struck and he crawled into our bed {I was home alone} and onto my face and throat...I could not breath..I fought him for life that day, mine!}
So...there are drugs to give if it becomes a frequent occurrence. We had phenobarbital tablets to be administered twice a day, every day, never forget and as close tot he same time as you could get! We had occasional "break-through" seizures too and then we/I was instructed to give him Benadryl tablets not liquid...they took about 20 minutes to work enough on him to get him to start to calm down...they for me were the longest 20+ minutes trying to hang on and help this dog.
Of course, you must see a vet and they will need to run tests to rule out other things. Make a written log if these become a often occurrence too so if there is a pattern the vet can see...
Maybe mddvm here one of our members can offer you better insight and some guidance. I can only tell you it was a helpless feeling I had not being able to stop the seizure once it started and for us, our dog was so large we couldn't just cuddle him although I sure tried my best to hold on tight.
Hope that helped some. Not to frighten you, there are many causes of seizures and reasons for them... this was my experience
In the meantime..... for all of you watching these occur.
** if you end up needing drugs, get the vet to write you a hard copy {this is a controlled substance} prescription and take it to your local pharmacy. Have them fill it if they prescribe for phenobarbital...it is so much cheaper than purchasing through your vet I found. Remember I also had to medicate a 110+ pound dog... **
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 12:00:28 GMT
My big dog started having them about April, he's on the phenobarbital, 1 twice daily, I have a clients dog that stays, it's the same size as my dog and is on 3 twice daily, so my dog really isn't that bad!
I had blood works done! cost about $175 I think, but nothing showed up, so they are idiopathic.
One tip that hasn't been mentioned.......the most important thing is to ensure they are cool, what happens is it causes the brain to overheat and that's what causes long term and future damage, the best way is to put an ice pack on the small of the back, DO NOT EVER GIVE DOGS ICE CUBES OR ICE IN THE WATER....DANGEROUS...ice packs can even sometimes stop a seizure if you get warning signs, my dog had had none since starting the Meds and apart from an increased appetite has had no side effects although I know lots of people's dogs have horrid side effects on this drug, guess I'm lucky:)
also so ensure she can't hurt herself on anything, just hold her legs steady if you can
I know it can be scary, but stay calm, remember the dog is confused when coming round and can be blind so watch you don't get bit or scare her, just keep talking calmly:)
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 20, 2014 12:17:56 GMT
ld... I never heard about the icepack to the back.
Hopefully I will NEVER need to know that bit of advice, but now stored away. TY for sharing.
Our dog didn't have seizures where he convulsed per say. He never had tremors, just horrible fright, demons were after him.
If you could imagine a dog looking like he was being dive-bombed from above, that was his warning sign of it is coming, tail disappeared between his legs, and a look of "Mom...help me" on his face...
OK..so here comes a question...
Is it not OK to give your dog(s) ice cubes to chew on ever?
My dogs love ice cubes and ice cold water to drink...but if not smart, it is a now a PAST thing they enjoyed........
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 12:23:29 GMT
Apparently ice cubes can cause bloat, I asked my vet as there is a few hoax emails going round but he said it's not advisable due to the way it cools the body down and they tend to drink more and then do the liquid vomit thing, the odd ice cube to crunch is ok though:)
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Jun 20, 2014 12:25:36 GMT
There is a thing going around on FB right now about how ice water can kill your dog. It actually isn't true. If the dog is ill and over drinks on water (no matter what temperature) it can get bloat. But just regular drinking water, the dog will be fine. let me see if I can find the vet's response on FB to the rumor. Here you go: www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/icewater.asp |
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mingiz
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Los Lunas, NM
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Post by mingiz on Jun 20, 2014 12:56:57 GMT
Molly has been fine since her episode yesterday. I hope that it isn't a regular occurrence. Sure makes you feel helpless watching her tremble and the look in her eyes. Thanks for the info...  |
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Valhallanite
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Post by Valhallanite on Jun 20, 2014 15:53:24 GMT
Oh, sorry to hear that happened.
I only experienced that once with one of my dogs, who was sick toward the end of life and at an advanced age. He had diabetes related problems with very high numbers that the vet couldn't get stable, no matter which meds we tried. It turned out he had an undiagnosed tumor which was throwing everything out of whack, which is most likely not the case with Molly.
Seizures are so upsetting....
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 20, 2014 16:09:16 GMT
I am so sorry... I have never seen a dog having seizure. I don't know how would I reacted but you did very good job   for you mingiz, for your fast reaction! |
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mingiz
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Los Lunas, NM
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Post by mingiz on Jun 20, 2014 18:43:05 GMT
Thanks All... The only thing I thought of was her swallowing her tongue. Found out later that dogs don't do that. But I was opening her mouth and making sure. Tony told me that was the wrong thing to do. To use a stick or something like that. He's an EMT so good having him around. She is fine so far. I'm hoping it was a freak thing...If it happens again I will get her to the vet Only bad thing about getting a rescue. You don't know their history. But I'm sure when she got knocked by running horse hoof didn't help her either...  |
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Post by 1fatmule on Jun 20, 2014 18:45:09 GMT
one of my wolf hybrids was a diabetic, he was a 127 pound animal in a body of a 100 pound dog. we tried controlling it with diet to no avail, he was started on a product called "vetsulin" made from pig blood, for diabetic dogs. it worked great for 2+ years, he was 16, and his kidneys started failing, it was a 1ml sub. que. shot daily, and it was expensive. we were told by Michigan State University vets that grape jelly was the best thing to use, and to put it between his cheek, and gums as it absorbs faster than actually eating it. i am sure karo syrup works just as good seizures ARE scary, and flint used to get scared, and confused. it is hard to watch them when it happens, and hard to tell when it will happen. |
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 18:49:10 GMT
one of my wolf hybrids was a diabetic, he was a 127 pound animal in a body of a 100 pound dog. we tried controlling it with diet to no avail, he was started on a product called "vetsulin" made from pig blood, for diabetic dogs. it worked great for 2+ years, he was 16, and his kidneys started failing, it was a 1ml sub. que. shot daily, and it was expensive. we were told by Michigan State University vets that grape jelly was the best thing to use, and to put it between his cheek, and gums as it absorbs faster than actually eating it. i am sure karo syrup works just as good :) seizures ARE scary, and flint used to get scared, and confused. it is hard to watch them when it happens, and hard to tell when it will happen. Huh, it's my wolf hybrid that's having seizures! |
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jun 20, 2014 19:03:17 GMT
Thanks 1FM I will keep that in mind. I always have grape jelly on hand. I was lucky that I had the karo.
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Post by 1fatmule on Jun 20, 2014 19:19:12 GMT
holey smokes, small world lorddaxter !! i use to have 5 in the house, the smallest was 86 pounds!! they are now banned in mi.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 21:13:12 GMT
holey smokes, small world lorddaxter !! i use to have 5 in the house, the smallest was 86 pounds!! they are now banned in mi. 5, wow!....must have been crazy, mine is a brill guard dog, I have to lock him up when people visit, he was very socialized and went to work with me in huge city every day till he was 5 months old and he just kinda changed, bit a friend real bad, he's sneaky too, doesn't bark or warn, just waits till they are not looking and lunges, he's mellowing a bit in his old age, I don't think I need to muzzle him at the vets anymore but they are scared so insist! |
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 20, 2014 21:50:47 GMT
Can you guys post a picture of your dogs...
I don't think I've ever seen this "breed".....
I didn't know you could have any wolf or wolf-cross....thought wild was wild and in this case completely protected to remain wild.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 22:03:47 GMT
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 20, 2014 23:51:45 GMT
They are beautiful!!! smileys-dogs-171634 Thanks for the photo link.. |
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 21, 2014 0:34:33 GMT
Mine doesn't look like that, he's a lower percentage:)
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That is so scary! I hope she doesn't have anymore seizures. 
for all of you watching these occur. 
for you mingiz, for your fast reaction!
