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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 14, 2014 21:28:02 GMT
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Jun 15, 2014 0:52:02 GMT
Wow! If she is truly that aggressive, someone should just have her put down, instead of attempting to sell her as something she is not. Very sad for the horse
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jun 15, 2014 3:43:13 GMT
She is a nice looking pony. But she has a nasty eye to her. Evil Look!! Any horse that aggressive needs to go somewhere...6ft under would be my choice. And the person that let her do it again after the pony already nailed her twice was just asking to get hurt...jmo
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 15, 2014 8:56:07 GMT
I think every horse deserve a chance. This horse is not like that for no reason. She lost her faith in humans. She needes someone who will know how to work with her and how to restore her trust in people. Would you put down a kid that has beaten other kids, and is a bully, or you will try to get him helpP?! And animals are way diffrenet then people, they don't do stuff just so they do it. This mare is telling something. My guess she was very bad treated. No horse is born evil. I think there is no such a thing as a evil horse. Only humans can be evil. Animals no way. Somebody just need to get her a chance, and lots of love and patient.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 15, 2014 12:16:43 GMT
Yes Lipizzan, I know she went through an auction a few weeks back, was bought for kids but she is not a kids pony so she's now at meat auction, they believe she was heavily sedated at the first auction before going through, more is trying to be found out about her but its understood she has suffered a lot of abuse I the hands of two different owners and a trainer, she badly needs an osteopath or chiropractor session and some time off, it's known this mare was sweet once, she is now just at the end of her tether, I wouldn't normally get involved with a horse like this but I can get vibes from her, yes, weird, I know, to the point I did something I have never done, I offered a small donation towards her bail if anyone can take and help her, just waiting to see if anyone else puts up or finds more funds:)
You are right Lipizzan! she just needs a chance and some time in a field to relax and move on before anyone should even attempt to rehabilitate her:)
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 15, 2014 12:35:56 GMT
LD that is very nice of you, I would definetly take her if I could. I love working with horses like her because there is no better feeling in the world when you help and save a life. I think she is not loste case.
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Jun 15, 2014 12:41:52 GMT
I also think every horse deserves a decent home, and a 2nd chance,.., And with that being said,.., I have still been around a few TRULY DANGEROUS horses that were so aggressive, that they either needed to go to someone who was a real horse trainer to hopefully rehabilitate them, OR to be put down They were seriously dangerous, and showed no improvement in highly 'capable' hands.
Sadly, I do think some horses get beyond a point of rehabilitation, and given their size and degree of aggressiveness, the best thing, with all those circumstances, is euthanasia. JMO
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 15, 2014 12:53:37 GMT
I have also been around some dangerous horses. But my opinion is that those kind of horses does not need trainig or profesional trainers, as LD also said they need some time off first. Maybe a year in pasture on their own, being a horse. That kind of horses do not need bits, saddles, ropes, to be touched , shout at, because what is point in that if they already lost their trust in people?! I strongly belive that ANY horse CAN be rehabilitated.
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Jun 15, 2014 13:17:07 GMT
I have also been around some dangerous horses. But my opinion is that those kind of horses does not need trainig or profesional trainers, as LD also said they need some time off first. Maybe a year in pasture on their own, being a horse. That kind of horses do not need bits, saddles, ropes, to be touched , shout at, because what is point in that if they already lost their trust in people?! I strongly belive that ANY horse CAN be rehabilitated. Have you ever seen the movie 'Buck'? Its a documentary about a horse trainer in the states named Buck Brannaman. There is part in the movie where Buck attempts to rehabilitate a rank and spoiled horse. Altho, this particular horse's problems WERE caused by humans, the horse had reached full maturity, and sadly, was a true menace. I've known one horse like him, and another one that was 'on his way' to being like him, for some reasons unknown (possibly pain). Point being,.., those horses were beyond the scope of your average horse person, and at least in Buck's case, beyond the scope of a 'professional' horse person/trainer. The one horse I knew, had spent a considerable amount of time just turned out, and it did nothing to improve his aggressive nature, only made it 1000x worse. Ideally, it would be wonderful if every horse could be saved, but there are some horses that do get beyond a point, and are unsafe to be around on every level. Thank goodness, its the rare few, but those horses are out there. Again, JMO,., but if the animal is a danger to its everyday handler, its like a ticking 'time bomb' IMO. PS. If you haven't seen 'Buck', it is well worth watching. Its an excellent documentary on Netflix
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 15, 2014 13:51:32 GMT
I have seen Buck. I respect your opinion. But I have strong point of view on everything. Maybe you are right I did not said you were not. I am just saying my opinion and my belief.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 15, 2014 15:47:38 GMT
Yes there are some at cannot be helped, my mil had a horse like that, he became a pasture puff but she could afford it!
What opened my eyes a lot was Isis, lots of people thought he would never be ridden and were shocked when I posted pics finally of me on him, I even got a few pms from people on ht saying they just couldn't believe it and honestly believed he would never be safe.
Now he's still not an any person horse for anything, he's very sensitive and high strung, today I am going to ride him, his last ride was October, if it's anything like last years I'm sure he will just dance around a few strides but as long as I just sit quiet and don't react to it he should be fine in a minute, hubby's at work but I have camcorder set up to record any fun!
There's a few people clubbing together for this pony mare so fingers crossed they find enough to bail her out and transport her:)
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Jun 15, 2014 16:17:35 GMT
I was around ONE horse that was as rank as that horse on the movie 'Buck'. He was every bit the same, behavior wise, you could not turn your back on him. His circumstances were similar, except he wasn't 'oxygen deprived' at birth, but he was left unhandled till he was 3 yrs. He was a stud colt, and unsocialized in a herd, as well. He was definitely the most aggressive, dangerous horse I've ever been around, and would go after you with teeth and heels. He bit at your feet in the stirrups, and chased, and attacked, grown men in the pasture. He would not allow you to catch your horse away from 'his herd', and he would come after you with teeth barred. And wheel and kick at you. The only way you could be around him was if he were muzzled, and you really had to watch him. I was sooooooooooooooooo glad when he was gone, I feared he would kill, or permanently maim someone, or ME. I'm not sure whatever happened to him,., and was just glad he wasn't mine.
Anybody else have a similar experience? How did it turn out?
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 15, 2014 19:34:34 GMT
My stallion was very very agressive. We still have holes in the wall that he made pounding with his back legs while he was keept in the box because no one could take him out. I had cracked knee when he kicked me, and my dad had numerus bites and bruises. He was breeding stallion and my dad was fresh in horse world and we did not know how to handle him. He become very frustrated and dangerous. Now we know better, his rehabilitation with the help of some people has been slow but he mannaged to turn around, and now I can even ride him, and he can be outside with another horses and stallions.
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Post by horselady on Jun 16, 2014 1:21:11 GMT
Has this pony been spoken for LD? and how did you send offer to help with bail. p,m ,me the details she seems to just need a person that she can trust and not get her cranked up. i do hope she finds the right person in her life.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 16, 2014 1:43:38 GMT
Has this pony been spoken for LD? and how did you send offer to help with bail. p,m ,me the details she seems to just need a person that she can trust and not get her cranked up. i do hope she finds the right person in her life. Dana Meier connections on facebook, I don't know if they need donations yet, I told her to contact me if they did privately as I don't want it over facebook, I'll update as I hear what's happening, she's still in the auction pen so hopefuly they move soon as they only hold them a week.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 16, 2014 12:40:48 GMT
Someone has offered free transport on her, her deadline is Wednesday then she goes for slaughter, it's all looking good though, seems more people are coming forward to offer donations:)
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 16, 2014 12:46:58 GMT
Keep us updated. Hope she make it. Fingers crossed
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 17, 2014 11:57:25 GMT
Unfortunately the deal fell through at the last minute, there are 2 ladies raising funds to help her but she needs bailed today, one of the ladies has room for her till a suitable home is found, at least it now turns out she isn't quite as evil as initially thought, she must just have been so stressed that day, understandable, fingers crossed enough money is raised for her bail and transport and in the near future a good home is found for her:)
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 18, 2014 12:55:54 GMT
She's been bailed:)
Has a temp home, just waiting on getting her moved:)
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 18, 2014 13:45:05 GMT
Jeeeeeeej. I am so happy for her. I wish her a good home and owner :-) i know she will be fine.
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