redzip
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Post by redzip on Apr 11, 2014 11:33:54 GMT
Has anyone ever had a horse react negatively to a wormer? Lethargy, just not acting quite right? I wormed Zippy yesterday, and he just acted 'off' a bit all day. He always acts like he HATES the taste of wormer, like he would 'wretch' if he could, silly boy!
He ate, pooped, drank, gut sounds, etc. but he laid down a lot thru the day, and stretched out flat. Almost completely relaxed, which is not the usual 'Zipster', hes always pretty spunky!
I am starting to get an abundance of pasture, so he might be filling up quickly. I wouldn't say it was uncommon behavior, I have seen him, periodically, since I've owned him, do this type behavior. Usually, spring and summer when there is an abundance of grass. He wasn't in distress, wasn't acting colicy, no rolling around, no biting at sides, no cranking his tail, just laid down thru out the day, and then would get up and eat again?? He was interested, took a few walks with me and hubby. No changes in diet, still up in a stall at night with hay. Only change was the wormer, and he got his feet done the other day. We wondered if he might be a little sore?? Trimmed too close? I'm off today, so I can keep an eye, as well, he's right by the house. Just wondered?? Thanks for any input or insight
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Apr 11, 2014 11:53:42 GMT
I just realized the wormer was dated 3/2014 maybe He also is eating A LOT LESS of his hay in the stall at night,., springtime!
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Apr 11, 2014 15:01:17 GMT
What kind of wormer did you use? How often do you worm. Has he had any issues before this..Some info.
When you deworm a horse you administer a chemical that kills the internal parasites in your horse. There are five chemicals routinely used in deworming: benzimidazoles, organophosphates, carbamates, piperazines, and ivermectin.
Each has a different efficacy and may only kill one type of parasite while another may target two or more. Many horse owners rotate the type of chemical they use, for example alternating a carbamate dewormer with an ivermectin dewormer.
Dewormers do not provide complete protection against internal parasites. Your horse may become reinfected or a type of parasite, primarily strongyles and ascarids, may become resistant to a specific dewormer.
Colic
Colic can occur when a horse with a high load of parasites is dewormed. If the majority of parasites die at the same time they can cause a blockage in the large intestine. If the blockage is left untreated the bowel may rupture causing almost instant death.
To avoid a massive die-off, have a fecal count (a sample of manure is floated in a special liquid, a slide is placed over the liquid and left for several minutes, it is then removed and parasite eggs that adhere to the slide are counted under a microscope) done before deworming. This will give you an idea of the parasite load your horse carries. For heavily infested horses using 1/2 of the recommended dose, waiting a week and giving the other half may help prevent an intestinal blockage and colic.
Allergies
Some horses will develop allergies to certain deworming chemicals. Allergic horses will develop hives as quickly as fifteen minutes after deworming. These horses will rub against walls, trees and other solid structures in an attempt to relieve the itching. Their muzzles may swell and in extreme cases they may develop a fever and difficulty breathing.
If this happens contact your veterinarian immediately. He will administer anti-histamines and other medications to relieve the allergy symptoms.
Consult your veterinarian for advice on how to deworm a horse allergic to a dewormer.
Drug resistence
The biggest problem faced by horses and their owners is drug resistant internal parasites. There are parts of the United States where populations of strongyles and ascarids have become resistant to carbamate dewormers like pryrantel pamoate and are showing resistance to ivermectin.
To keep your horse healthy alternate the dewormer chemicals you use. By presenting parasites with different chemicals they will find it harder to become resistant to one particular dewormer.
How to prevent problems
You can prevent these problems by keeping your horse on a regular deworming schedule. Always monitor your horse after deworming for signs of colic or allergies. Have a fecal test done at least once a year to verify you are in fact reducing the number of internal parasites your horse has.
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Apr 11, 2014 16:06:28 GMT
I routinely rotate my wormers, 3 way, and worm every other month. Yesterday I used Ivermectrin, which I've used on him before. I probably 'over worm' considering he rarely leaves the property, and no new horses come here. I have never had a fecal egg count done. He always acts like he HATES the taste, and hangs his head after I administer, but yesterday he acted like it 'disagreed' with him. He seems MUCH PERKIER today, which is a HUGE relief. I have also dealt with a colic episode with Red, but never with Zippy. I'm not sure I would say he acted colicy, just off? I don't think its my 'management' practices as I troubleshoot to avoid such things. I didn't realize the wormer was 1 month past 'use' date, altho, I wouldn't think that would matter that much?? I'll ask my vet when I see him again, or before I worm again.
Just wondered if anyone had ever experienced this reaction before maybe
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Post by horselady on Apr 11, 2014 18:48:30 GMT
Perhaps it was the combination of the green grass and the wormer and it just caused him to feel icky. The wormer will kill the worms and sometimes cause a blockage as they pass but since you have such a system of worming and rotation i would not think that is possible for him. i would take a sample to the vet for each of the horses before you leave for vacation. that way you are sure you got all the worms. next time (hope it does not happen) put into a dry lot and do not give food, and you can monitor drinking and manure.
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Post by redzip on Apr 11, 2014 19:04:58 GMT
Perhaps it was the combination of the green grass and the wormer and it just caused him to feel icky. The wormer will kill the worms and sometimes cause a blockage as they pass but since you have such a system of worming and rotation i would not think that is possible for him. i would take a sample to the vet for each of the horses before you leave for vacation. that way you are sure you got all the worms. next time (hope it does not happen) put into a dry lot and do not give food, and you can monitor drinking and manure. I'm thinking of putting a call into my vet,.., just to let him know. Zippy is acting fine today, cantankerous as ever! Here by the house isn 't exactly a dry lot, but its A Lot less than in the field. I probably should adjust my worming schedule somewhat also,. hes all by himself. And it was only he and Red here, I doubt I have much of a parasite problem, IDK tho maybe Thanks for the info Mingiz!
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