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Post by shadowlark on Apr 9, 2014 5:45:20 GMT
So, I got a facebook message from Lucy's previous owner last night, with this link: Simba TwistHe's a buckskin Sabino TB. Gorgeous. Well, Lucy's previous owner had the thought that he would be a good match for Lucy! (Here's her pic thread as a reminder: Lucy) What do you guys think? I know her previous owner has done breeding leases before, so I'd send Lucy to her, she would take care of everything, and when the foal was weaned I'd get her back. Pros: - I wouldn't have to pay board, so could save that money for a year and a bit (BIG pro since I'm not working right now)
- Foal could potentially be my horse #2
- She would have the best care
Cons - I'd have nothing to ride until she was back
- I don't know if I could meet the foal and not keep it
- Their farm is about an hour and 45 minutes away, so visits would be sporadic at best and probably non-existent in the winter
- Obviously, there could potentially be health concerns
The pairing would have this colour probabillity:  What do you think of the pairing? If my math is right, With Lucy being 75% QH/25% TB, and Simba being 100% TB, the foal would be 62.5% TB and 37.5% QH. What would you do? |
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Post by redzip on Apr 9, 2014 9:46:34 GMT
What a handsome stud! Would the foal be registered? If I were considering raising/having a foal, I'd probably do it  Can you afford both horses over the 'long haul'? Those are just some things that I'd be considering,., Good luck with your decision, keep us posted!! |
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Post by horselady on Apr 9, 2014 19:40:16 GMT
He is beautiful and if you can than do it. my question is why would you have to leave her there for a year plus until the foal is weaned? why not send for breeding and than bring her back to the barn for the summer so you can ride and enjoy her than this winter send her back until after foaling.? and of course while she is at the facility you will need to work out terms in case something happens in case of an emergency. <insurance on the mare?  winter being jan, feb. of next year. |
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Post by shadowlark on Apr 9, 2014 21:01:06 GMT
He couldn't be registered with the AQHA as Lucy is already an Appendix. Not sure the rules with the APHA but maybe with them?
It would have to be an AI breeding as the stud is in Ontario. I have 0 experience with breeding/caring for a pregnant mare whereas previous owners do, so that's one reason to keep her there. They would pay all costs (breeding, vet care, feed, farrier, etc) in exchange for the foal. So it would save me a ton of money and be a bit of a break while I job hunt. I guess the first little while she could stay up here, as it's not like I do a lot of heavy riding.
HAHAHA Horselady - winter starts in November here! I'd have to see how they'd feel about coming to get her in the midst of an Alberta winter - I know I wouldn't want to be hauling horses up and down the hills near their ranch in the winter.
I dunno, part of me is like "Nooo, I'll miss Lucy too much!" and the other part of me is like "Stud is gorgeous & I'm already considering horse #2, so why not make it a Lucy baby?"
Something to think about I guess - I'm not sure how serious she is, but I have a feeling if I said, "Let's do this" she'd be on board.
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Post by horselady on Apr 10, 2014 0:21:58 GMT
If she is to keep the foal after all that , than how could you consider the foal a second horse for you.? unless you buy the foal???
if the foal is potentially your second horse. what if something happens. than you are out a foal and horse.
breeding is so scary, and if you feel that the mare would be better off at the breeders than perhaps do it and make sure the lease contract is in order.
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Post by shadowlark on Apr 10, 2014 1:30:37 GMT
She would be breeding to sell the foal, so I would have to purchase - just have a feeling that if I saw the foal, I'd want it  I think she would be better off at the breeders, just cause they would know what to look for and would know the early signs of something going wrong. The lady is a stay at home mom so is there all the time, whereas my barn owner works part time and as far as I know doesn't have any experience. It would give me breathing room while I'm unemployed to not have to pay board, and if I found a job soon, I could save up to purchase the foal if I wanted. Got lots of thinking to do. Most of this breeder's foals are born in May, so I guess they breed in June, so I've got some time to think. I think they'd have a pretty cute baby! |
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Post by horselady on Apr 10, 2014 1:39:56 GMT
If everyone is in agreement and that is what you want then perhaps you can.
as you said you have about a month to decide and put this into play.
good luck
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Post by Terry on Apr 10, 2014 3:26:48 GMT
Lucy and that stud are both gorgeous! How could they not have a beautiful baby together?!?!  Sounds like you've got lots to think about, but if you decide to do it, I'm definitely going to want to see pictures of the baby, because it's gonna be a real looker!
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 10, 2014 5:44:53 GMT
That stallion is beuatiful. In my country we are not alowed to mix breeds. To pair for example Lipizzan and Arab. People do that , but get punished if cought.
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Post by shadowlark on Apr 10, 2014 6:25:49 GMT
That stallion is beuatiful. In my country we are not alowed to mix breeds. To pair for example Lipizzan and Arab. People do that , but get punished if cought. Oh, wow, really? That's crazy. Here in Canada and in the US you can pretty much mix anything you want. I do understand wanting to keep breeds pure though. With Quarter Horses, the registry only allows Thoroughbred blood to be bred into the breed, and the foal would be labeled an Appendix Quarter Horse. If an Appendix is shown and and gets enough points and epitomizes the QH breed, they can be registered as pure QH. That's what happened with my mare's sire - he's technically an Appendix but I guess was granted full status, otherwise my mare wouldn't have been allowed to be registered as an appendix. But if I breed her with a TB, I can't register that foal as an appendix. I'd have to show and prove Lucy should be granted full status first, which I'm not really interested in doing! LOL I think if I bred her with this stud though, it looks like the foal could be registered with the American Paint Horse Registry: The stallion is APHA and Jockey Club registered and Lucy is AQHA registered, so we've got all the basis covered! |
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Post by mingiz on Apr 10, 2014 13:56:51 GMT
For some reason this sounds to good to be true. Is Lucy a maiden mare? There is so much that can happen not knowing if Lucy can carry a foal and deliver with out an issue. Also I don't understand why the previous owner would want to pay all the cost for breeding and care for a long period. On a horse she doesn't own anymore. Who's to say once the foal hits the ground she decided that she doesn't want to sell it or if she does are you going to get any of the funds. If I was going to breed my mare I would want the mare with me. Also AI isn't 100% at times. IDK but it's a lot to thing about and how trustworthy is the woman.. If something happens to Lucy would you be reimbursed for the loss.. Would a contract be drawn to protect yourself and Lucy?
Considering the distance away Lucy would be you won't be able to check on her. jmo I don't want to sound negative but I think to much of my horses to take the chance...
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Post by shadowlark on Apr 10, 2014 21:29:14 GMT
All good points Mingiz. Lucy is not maiden. The woman who wants to breed her now (Let's call her S so I don't have to keep saying "this woman" or "previous owner") got one foal out of her. S bred her once before but Lucy developed a uterine infection and lost the foal, but afterwards was able to carry her colt to term and no problems on delivery. S has done breeding leases in the past. She has a few breeding mares of her own, but has leased horses before for breeding purposes. They only sold Lucy as they had to downsize their personal herd to make more room for boarders, otherwise they would have kept her. Breeding is S's business, so breeding leases are no big deal to her I guess. She pays all the costs for breeding and care in exchange for the use of Lucy. What do I get out of it? A break on paying board while she's down there. I'd definitely have to get more info, but I know there would be a contract with everything spelled out. I've googled a few, and it seems common that the contract would have a clause that if something were to happen to Lucy, they would pay all vet costs, and in the event of her death would pay me her value. |
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Post by horselover4life on Apr 10, 2014 22:27:37 GMT
I don't know Shadow... breed her if you want but from a business venture standpoint...
They are breeding a appendix mare to a Thoroughbred who then can't be registered Quarter because her blood is already diluted...so relying on other breeds she might be able to go with...
To me...if I was a breeder and had the mares care, expenses and everything else $$ looking me in the face...no wouldn't be happening.
I would make a lousy breeder though because I wouldn't want to sell any of the babies.
Make sure you insure Lucy heavily...freak things do happen and then you will have lost much.
sorry, not to be a downer.. but me... I would buy a foal and not risk the mare you obviously care deeply about.
Sadly, I just really looked at the stud...he is pretty, period.
His past lineage have done well, he hasn't though has he?
He has potential, but nothing accomplished to put out there in his name...
Now..if you were going to breed to his daddy...YES!!
Otherwise, my answer would be "No, not now."
Before making any decisions, make sure you have current pictures and stats on this horse...his "resume' " are pictures now 4 years old...he was 2 in those pictures...makes me wonder even more now why not a updated resume' on this stallion...
sorry...
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Post by shadowlark on Apr 10, 2014 23:46:24 GMT
LOL HL4L - I'm with you, couldn't be a breeder cause I wouldn't be able to part with them! Their breeding business seems to be trying to breed coloured sport horses, mostly Arab, but other breeds as well. I guess her thinking with this pairing is there is a very high chance of a coloured foal. And because of the sire the foal could be APHA registered. I don't really know much about lineages or anything, but I've been told Lucy's sire, Barry Swift, is fairly well known, so good breeding on that side + this stallion could potentially make a very nice baby. I just remembered Lucy used to be at a Welsh pony breeding place and a quick google search turned up one part welsh baby she had, so she's had at least 2 foals. They do have more pics of him under saddle and older: Stallions You have to scroll down to see them. Not sure if he has shown, so yeah, may not have a good record at all. Would have to look into that more. Please don't anyone apologize for being "debbie downers" - I WANT to hear all the potential negatives in case there is something I haven't thought of. Obviously my biggest fear is something happening to her, so I want to hear all sides. |
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Post by shadowlark on Apr 26, 2014 2:14:05 GMT
So, turns out Lucy is considered a full QH. Apparently her sire, Barry Swift, was granted full QH status, and all foals he produced with full QH dams are therefore granted full status. Confirmed with the AQHA that she's considered full QH. So if this pairing happens, the foal would be able to be registered as an appendix. Or she could be bred to a QH for a full QH baby. I did ask previous owner for more info, and she said the breeding lease could be worked out however worked best for me, so we would be able to keep her here most of the time then send her down closer to foaling date. BUT they are already breeding 3 mares this year, and they don't want to take on too many, so the breeding wouldn't happen until next year, for a 2016 foal. So I've got a year to mull it over So keep the pros and cons coming! My BO told me a big con - the guy she bought her horses from had a mare he bred twice, no problem. Sent her out on a breeding lease and she developed some kind of colic due to the pregnancy and required surgery to the tune of almost $10,000. Luckily the people leasing her were well off and could afford to save her, but they don't know if she will be rideable or breedable again. |
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Sounds like you've got lots to think about, but if you decide to do it, I'm definitely going to want to see pictures of the baby, because it's gonna be a real looker! 
