Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 5, 2014 19:58:15 GMT
Perfect harmony, this man is my rolemodel  I hope one day I will have enough knowlege to work with horses like he does. |
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Post by horselady on Apr 6, 2014 1:17:30 GMT
He does have a gift, and that is the love of the horse and knowing how to use his body to ask the horse to perform certain movements. yes body language
i love guy mcclean from austrailia who works with youngsters and with his horses at liberty,
i posted his photos on the forum and i have facebook page also. 633995
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Apr 6, 2014 2:48:13 GMT
Beautiful
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 6, 2014 7:35:41 GMT
He truly understand the nature of a horse, he does not talk to a horse, don't use words, he usr his body language that horse understand. He use movements that would use another horse. I think that is the most important. You can not TRAIN horses like human to horse, you have to make it a partnership. I wish he could be my teacher, maybe one day. I can dream can I?
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 6, 2014 7:44:15 GMT
He mostly works with difficult stallions, this is story of one of them. You can't not to admire this man.
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Post by 1fatmule on Apr 6, 2014 16:04:06 GMT
yes, he seems to show the horse things that he might not know he can do on his own, forming a bond so the horse wants to please him. beautiful, quiet, and graceful |
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 6, 2014 17:26:03 GMT
He look like he is dancing with horses :-)
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nhg
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Post by nhg on Apr 8, 2014 14:58:30 GMT
I LOVE this. Some people just have a natural ability. I really admire that.
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hugs
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Post by hugs on Apr 9, 2014 4:23:11 GMT
Maybe "natural ability" is another way of saying "paying attention" and learning how to respond appropriately because he learned that "when he does this, the horse does that" and what the horse will do next. Perhaps he is actually thinking and figuring out about the horse, than trying to remember what someone else said? I know that I am at my best when I forget myself.
And its also easier to dance with a horse that loves to dance than with a horse that would rather stand still.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 9, 2014 9:39:00 GMT
It amazees me how he lead a horse in unfenced space, and horse just followe him. Horses see him as a leader of a herd. And his work with agressive stallios is just beyonde my mind. How he transforms those horses is unbelievable.
Her is example how he "control" stallion in front of a mare in heat
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Post by horselady on Apr 9, 2014 19:46:26 GMT
From what i see he does not say alot to the horses or even stroke them to tell them when they are good. he used so much of his body language and hand signals. like a person commanding a dog in agility. all sounds and hints of voice and all hand and body to tell the horse what to do and how to behave.
if you go in a pasture where there are horses and just sit and observe they will teach you so much on the body and how to use your hands and head, and feet to "speak" to the other horses. sometimes just a toss of the head and it could mean "go away" or "come here"
and when he was on the stallion his feet and body were still and his one hand the right was telling the horse in jabs of the reins "do not move or go there"
he is amazing and has a gift that can not be duplicated or copied. we can only try and use his methods and hope it works out. lol
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 9, 2014 20:34:15 GMT
I agree. But I think it is more important to understand a horse, to work in a partneship without pain and force, then to stroke him when he is good.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on May 12, 2014 18:53:05 GMT
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Post by horselover4life on May 12, 2014 21:35:42 GMT
Some people have a uncanny ability to "speak" with actions not words to all living creatures.
Some humans have the ability to truly read what in this case, the horse is answering.
This is a true gift and few are ever graced with the perception to use this so eloquently.
Horse whisperer... I've seen 1 in my life for sure and think I worked for another...they happened to be a married couple who could do incredible things with animals others condemned and treated cruelly. I learned so much from them...
I watch "natural horsemanship" and those that say they train with it...well their thoughts and mine about what that means are vastly different.
Most of what I see today are just gimmicks and good promotion of advertising by a marketing strategist... before all these "names" came to be there were true horse trainers without gimmicks who worked magic with an animal...
To be one with the animal...one mind, one spirit... a blending of wills to accomplish and achieve...that to me is natural horsemanship...one of finesse, understanding and respect all rolled into one package given and returned.
This gentlemen seems to be one of the gifted... and he is working his magic with kindness and getting respect and compliance in return...nice!
jmo...
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Post by horselover4life on May 12, 2014 21:41:11 GMT
....my computer seems to be experiencing operating difficulties.
Apologies for the double post or triple or more...  
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on May 13, 2014 15:17:40 GMT
I think we can all learn how to speak with horses, if we would take enough time to do so. Unfortunately, many of us do not spend enough time with the horses. Including me. We could all do natural horsemanship, and live in a better world. A world where nothing is achieved with pain and commandments, but with a kind gesture or a partnership. So we both enjoy and both participate voluntarily.
I have one proverb, that I don't know how to translate in a way that you understand, but I will try... It is said:
" Man, do not be proud of your superiority over the animals, because they are without the sin, yet YOU with your "greatness" sow blood over the land."
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Post by nhg on May 13, 2014 16:49:59 GMT
Well said Lipizzan. I agree that we all have a lot to learn about horses and anyone who says they know it all shows how little they do know. The learning is a life long process. I do think that some people just have that extra bond or understanding that comes naturally, though. There's just a little something extra that most of us don't have. Maybe they naturally move the right way or look at the horse the right way or send out some other subtle signals. And it comes naturally, they don't have to think it through.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on May 13, 2014 18:32:54 GMT
I agree, but we can all do NH if we want to. NH is not just riding without a bit or without a saddle, it is way of treating horses, way of partneship, way of trust, and way of perception of a horse as our friend and partner, not as our possesion. That is my opinion.
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Post by hugs on May 14, 2014 2:47:42 GMT
Lipizzan, you hit the nail on the head about spending enough time with the animal in order to communicate. I need lots of time with my animals, time for me to let go of my day and my worries and all of that and simply be with them. That's when I am happiest. It may sound kinda odd but I kinda think that when Peaches kicked me, it wasn't a riff in our relationship, granted it wasn't such a pleasant thing and it sure is a sign I'm not her superior but when she kicked me she was communicating and she did hold back, I could tell. Anyway, I'm not ignoring the training issue, but I am saying its a connection, no pun intended. I'm only home on the weekends, Gerald is there all week and feeds them twice a day but she never nickers at him, only me. Maybe I'm just fooling myself?
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on May 14, 2014 10:03:26 GMT
We offten make mistakes in thinking that we have to be the boss for our horses. No, I think that is way wrong. HORSE is one that must accept us as a member of the herd, we will then have to fight for a spot of leader in that herd that we are now part of. Therefore, we must adjust to the horse, and not vice versa. I think  , that you are not fooling yourself. Horses are herd animals. They are very social and need a lot of contact. I think Peaches was letting you know that you do no't spend a lot of time together. |
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I hope one day I will have enough knowlege to work with horses like he does. 
, that you are not fooling yourself. Horses are herd animals. They are very social and need a lot of contact. I think Peaches was letting you know that you do no't spend a lot of time together.