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Mar 24, 2014 1:14:45 GMT
Post by horselady on Mar 24, 2014 1:14:45 GMT
I am looking up and wanting to find out more about epm and it's symptoms. cures if any, and any care requirements and i know it is not a transmittable disease , so what ever you can tell me about it will help me learn. 522867
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Mar 24, 2014 2:51:02 GMT
Well I just looked it up in my vet book. The disease is caused by a protozoan called Sarcocystis neurona that invades the brain and spinal cord.This protozoan is a parasite of opossums. The organism is shed in the opossums feces and contaminates feed and water, or may be picked and distributed by birds. The horse is not a primary host, which helps to explain the wide variation in clinical signs. EPM occurs most often in young TB's and SB's 1 to 6 yrs of age. The geographic distribution of the disease follows the natural range of opossums. Most cases are isolated. Out breaks have not been reported. The ingested protozoans migrate randomly through the spinal cord and brain producing a variety of unexplained and high;y variable neurological signs. The horse often stumbles or falls repeatedly and make exhibit a head tilt. Over a period of days, weeks, or months. The horse develops weakness, lameness, and muscle wasting in one or more limbs, frequently on different sides of the body.The ataxia and muscle weakness are progressive.Finally the horse goes down and can't get back up. Diagnosis is based on clinical suspicion and neurological findings. A diagnostic blood test using fluid from a spinal tap has recently became available. EPM mimics many neurological diseases. However it should be the number one consideration for any horse with unexplained neurological signs along with weakness, ataxia and muscle weakness. Treatment. It is directed at stopping the progress of the disease. Good results have been obtained using a drug combination (trimethoprim and pyrimethamine) according to strict protocol. The drugs may need to be given for 2 to 3 months. Complications may require discontinuation. DMSO has been used intravenously to reduce inflammation and swelling of the brain and spinal cord. Corticosteroids ordinarily are not used because they lower the horse's immune response to the parasites. Recovery from neurological signs will depend on the amount of tissue damage cauued by the protozoans. Some horse have permanent neurological deficits. Hope this helps you.... There is also Parasitic Myeloencephalitis which is similar to EPM. but instead of a protozoan it is the larval stages of Strongyles vulgaris, Habronema, and other worms that migrate aimlessly through the brain and spinal cord. Worm encephalopathy is less common than EPM, but the sysptoms are nearly indistinguishable. Treatment Ivermectin, thiabendazole in high doses, and febendazole are effective against the larve tissue stages of nematodes. Anti-inflammatory drugs reduce inflammation and swelling around the killed parasites. Corticosteroids are contraindicted. Improvement follows but neurological deficits may persist.
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Lipizzan
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Mar 24, 2014 6:15:02 GMT
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Post by Lipizzan on Mar 24, 2014 6:15:02 GMT
Wow I have never hurd about that. Learned something new.
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redzip
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Mar 24, 2014 7:26:49 GMT
Post by redzip on Mar 24, 2014 7:26:49 GMT
Great info Mingiz, thanks. I worry about EPM often too, as opossum are everywhere Scary stuff!!!
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Lipizzan
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Mar 24, 2014 8:32:25 GMT
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Post by Lipizzan on Mar 24, 2014 8:32:25 GMT
We dont have opossum. Never seen that animal.
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EPM
Mar 24, 2014 11:40:03 GMT
Post by horselady on Mar 24, 2014 11:40:03 GMT
I knew I could count on you what kind of vet book are you using.? and it is a standard bred that is coming to retire. 8 years old, has a broken (cracked? leg) than dropped a suspensory is now crippled can not run. owner is doing right by this big money winner and sending him here. also was treated for epm .
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mingiz
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Mar 24, 2014 13:30:39 GMT
Post by mingiz on Mar 24, 2014 13:30:39 GMT
It just called Horse Owners Veterinary Handbook..Have had it for years..Written by James M Giffin M.D and Tom Gore DVM. It comes in handy at times... Glad to help.. We had a rescue mare that had it. She started with the muscle weakness, especially in the back end. Then she started falling. We had her put down.. It's not a pretty thing to watch.
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mingiz
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EPM
Mar 24, 2014 13:39:10 GMT
Post by mingiz on Mar 24, 2014 13:39:10 GMT
Lipazzan this is what one looks like..
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EPM
Mar 24, 2014 15:10:46 GMT
Post by horselover4life on Mar 24, 2014 15:10:46 GMT
If they {opossum} get wet it resembles/looks like a large rat...
Can be nasty when cornered but they try not to encounter humans often...they usually end up dead if they encounter horse-people and a barn situation!!
Aren't they normally nocturnal? You know like a raccoon...night critters unless sickly? maybe
OK...I read the book piece and my brain just shut-down on me...
What is "thiabendazole in high doses"... talk about a brain-fart...
HELP!!! smileys-home-474322
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mingiz
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Mar 24, 2014 15:32:21 GMT
Post by mingiz on Mar 24, 2014 15:32:21 GMT
Yes Opossums are night creatures. They do remind me of a rat too..Yes if you have them on your horse property kill them!!! squirtgun
Thiabendazole is a drug used for the treatment of infections caused by parasites (mites and worms) and fungi (molds and yeasts). Though most often used as a de-wormer in large animals, when combined with other drugs, thiabendazole is an effective treatment for certain ear conditions in dogs and cats. The drug kills ear mites and controls ear infections caused by the yeast Malassezia. The product TresadermĀ® contains thiabendazole combined with the antibiotic, neomycin and the steroid, dexamethasone. Neomycin is effective against a variety of bacteria (including Pseudomonas, Proteus and Staphylococcus), while dexamethasone offers relief from itching and reduces inflammation. Thiabendazole is a prescription drug and can only be obtained from a veterinarian or by prescription from a veterinarian.
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Post by horselover4life on Mar 24, 2014 15:36:15 GMT
Thanks Ming... I knew I had seen and heard that name before... my dogs had ear infections and that was part of the treatment...drops or something we had to put in the ear canal and massage in...then RUN when they shook their heads...
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Jun 12, 2014 22:27:05 GMT
Post by kskatt on Jun 12, 2014 22:27:05 GMT
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Post by Terry on Jun 13, 2014 1:51:43 GMT
EPM is such a scary thing! I'm always worried about that since we have so many opossums around here. Not only that, but opossums are just ugly little critters!
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jun 13, 2014 4:13:34 GMT
If we see any around here we shoot them.
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Lipizzan
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Jun 13, 2014 6:18:38 GMT
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 13, 2014 6:18:38 GMT
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Jun 13, 2014 11:37:15 GMT
Post by horselover4life on Jun 13, 2014 11:37:15 GMT
hl..........
how is your new boarder doing that had this diagnosis?
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Post by horselady on Jun 13, 2014 18:07:21 GMT
Since he was on the race track all of his life and never really turned out his owner assumes he got it from some hay that had droppings from a farm. but again who knows for sure. he developed dropped suspensory . first on one leg than on the other after the vets doubled dosed his antibiotics. for the second round. cause they felt the first round did not do the trick. he is a sweetie, he has great manners and is finally allowing me to catch him with out a catch rope attached to his halter. and brushing him is a good thing now. he thought, at first i was going to beat him or hit him. i suppose being on the track many people in and out of his stall only wached him to get him to move over.
thanks for asking .hl4l and as far as medication or after care. he needs nothing. i conferred with my vets and they said to just let him be a horse
as a word of caution tho. if anyone has a horse that comes up positive for epm. please follow my advice and do not rush the healing. 6 months would have been ideal for him not two. hence the dropped suspensories.
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Post by 1fatmule on Jun 15, 2014 0:03:38 GMT
mingiz we go one further, we bait, and set live traps for them, and raccoons. now before anyone hates me, i have seen 2 walking horses slowly die from epm. they basically wasted away, got anorexic, weak, and dangerous to be near. we live IN the woods heavy with white pine, and oak trees perfect homes for opossums, and raccoons. our neighbors dog got after a raccoon that was in their garbage, and it rolled on its back, clawed the dogs stomach wide open basically gutting it. the dog was a 85+ pound lab., the vet said they see a lot of serious injuries between dogs, cats, and raccoons. cats mainly their front feet, and legs getting bitten completely through because they sit back, and swat at the coons faces.
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jun 15, 2014 0:13:10 GMT
We killed the last 3 in the yard. They were up in the tree. So we don't see to many. Molly dog is the one that let us know there was something out there. So Tony got the flash light and seen them and got rid of them. Now we have spotted a coyote in the lower field. Tony found the den. So now we need to get rid of them. I'm planning on getting chickens next year and I'm building an 8x8 coup. It will be set up off the ground and fenced with 2x4's on the bottom of the ground. Hopefully it will keep critters out. Again Tony will be the chicken guardian... Yes Raccoons can be bad and do some damage... The country life huh?
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 15, 2014 9:18:36 GMT
Interesting fact is that we are entering into their territory and destroy their habitats, and we call them pests... smileys-home-474322
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