mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 16, 2014 23:21:40 GMT
So Mister looks like he put one of his hind legs through the pallet that has been in the barn for at least a year. when I went to feed tonight he was three legged lame. i don't feel any heat anywhere but rubbed some linament where he was a little tender. i also gave him a gram of bute which expired in 2012 - figured it couldn't hurt. I don't think i need to call the vet at this point but will in the morning if he is still this lame.
any other suggestions? I'll go check him again in an hour or so. how long does bute take to start working?
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Post by lorddaxter on Mar 16, 2014 23:28:28 GMT
Id just cold hose, not a bute lover as it masks and imo makes them hurt it worse!
I have some here but have never used it yet
Oh, just to add I used that ice cold stuff and wrapped it, made a huge difference, and sorry to hear he did this, horses are so stupid sometimes:(
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Post by horselady on Mar 16, 2014 23:49:19 GMT
You did fine. i would do the same as you, and either cold hose or use ice packs strapped on with duct tape.
limit his movement . not in a stall for hours but in a turn out. so he gets moving and not running around.
check tomorrow also and i bet by wednesday he will be back to normal.
again give bute with food,
and yes horses can do the dumbest things sometimes. i think they do it on purpose just so we sweat.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 17, 2014 0:06:46 GMT
Ok, i am an awful horse mommy. went back out to check on him and found a nail in his hoof. i don't know how i missed it the first time around! i took it out and it started bleeding. i poured peroxide over it and sprayed it with vetricyn. he still doesn't want to put weight on it.
i don't think i could get him close enough to the hose to hose it off right now. will check on him again in a bit.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 17, 2014 0:08:19 GMT
I did give the bute after his dinner
. i think he got most of it.
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Mar 17, 2014 0:26:26 GMT
If his leg swells up get some linament and rub his leg good and them put the cotton wrap on it and then take saran wrap and put that over the cotton wrap and then finish with the leg wrap.This will help get the swelling out. You may want to soak his hoof in epsom salt also. Try and keep the hole open so nothing get ups in there....
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Post by horselady on Mar 17, 2014 0:28:15 GMT
If it is still bleeding that is good. did he have tetnaus lately?. if not perhaps a vet visit or dare i say, you can get shot at tcs and do it yourself. very important to have it done.
are you sure you got the entire nail out.? and what part of the hoof was it stuck in.?
and i keep a small grinder and hammer in the tack room and either grind the bute or smash and put into food. next time you see your vet ask for bute paste. squirt into the mouth and they will have to swallow it.
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Post by redzip on Mar 17, 2014 10:25:14 GMT
Oh no, a nail in the hoof would really worry me MM. I'd put a call into my vet in the AM, see what they suggest. A tetanus shot might be in order, plus it may necessitate keeping the hole covered, or dressed. Keep us posted, I've never actually dealt with a puncture wound, but would definitely seek the advice of a vet. Good luck!  |
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 17, 2014 12:07:51 GMT
Sorry I didn't respond last night, my son had the internet cord and I hate having to post anything from my phone.
I did think about needing a tetanus vaccine (too bad I can't "sneak" one from work!), I will call the vet in a little while. The bute I have is a paste but it is beyond expired so next time I see the vet I will get a new tube (although I think this is the first time I have used it in 2-3 years, Cowboy was always my accident prone horse).
He is walking fine this morning with only a slight limp. Bute still working? Or perhaps he really is feeling better? I flushed it out with peroxide again this morning and it looks alright. Again, will ask the vet how to proceed from here.
Thanks for all your replies. Mister hardly ever gets hurt or sick so it kind of scared me to see him that way.
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Post by lorddaxter on Mar 17, 2014 12:13:49 GMT
Morning, personally Id poultice it, hoof boots are good for that but you can use a nappy, vet wrap and duct tape, just to make sure, is he in or out?
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mddvm
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Post by mddvm on Mar 17, 2014 12:20:19 GMT
I agree to call the vet this morning. Penetrating hoof injuries can be ugly if bacteria gets introduced into the deep tissues of the foot.
Back when I was in school the protocol/ treatment recommendation for "nail in foot" was to leave the nail in the hoof initially and radiograph the hoof with the nail present so that you can assess depth of penetration, if it is touching any important structure (coffin bone, tendon sheath, etc) before pulling the nail. Of course that is not always practical or possible unless your vet is right around the corner....
I think bute was appropriate. Vet may also recommend a course of antibiotics....just in case.
My mare had a similar injury several years ago and everything turned out fine. Hope the same is true for Mister. But do call the vet for their opinion.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 17, 2014 13:59:30 GMT
Just talked with the vet. He fussed at me for taking the nail out so hopefully we all learn a lesson from mddvm and my vet - if ever a nail in the hoof, leave it in and call vet for x-rays.
Since Mister is current with his vaccines, he said Mister didn't need another tetanus shot. He did put him on SMZs twice a day for 5 days. I described the placement of the nail and he said that where it penetrated, the main concern is if it damaged the P3 bone (if it had been in the frog area, damage would have possibly been to tendons, ligaments and blood supply). If you are looking at the hind hoof like you are cleaning it, the nail was about 2:00 (the apex of hoof being 12 and the frog being 6) and about half way between the groove of the hoof and the white line. He said it will probably form an abcess but we won't be out of the woods for at least 6 weeks.
So, anyone have any great ideas about how to get 10-12 tabs into a horse with finicky tastes? I know the trick about mixing them with Karo syrup and using a syringe to give orally.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Mar 17, 2014 14:00:28 GMT
Everyone else has already suggested everything I would have, so all I want to add is to please keep us posted. Poor guy! 
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 17, 2014 14:02:36 GMT
I always get so upset when the vet fusses at me. I know he means well and even said he was not trying to be mean but it still upsets me to know I may have done something that is not good for Mister. I certainly will learn from it and won't do it again. I rarely make the same mistake twice with regards to instructions from my vet. Ok, sorry, pity party over.  |
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Mar 17, 2014 14:04:49 GMT
No need to beat yourself up. We all make mistakes from time to time, but that's how we learn. Now, through your experience, I have learned not to pull a nail before the vet checks it. I wouldn't have known any better.
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Post by redzip on Mar 17, 2014 14:06:50 GMT
Just talked with the vet. He fussed at me for taking the nail out so hopefully we all learn a lesson from mddvm and my vet - if ever a nail in the hoof, leave it in and call vet for x-rays. Since Mister is current with his vaccines, he said Mister didn't need another tetanus shot. He did put him on SMZs twice a day for 5 days. I described the placement of the nail and he said that where it penetrated, the main concern is if it damaged the P3 bone (if it had been in the frog area, damage would have possibly been to tendons, ligaments and blood supply). If you are looking at the hind hoof like you are cleaning it, the nail was about 2:00 (the apex of hoof being 12 and the frog being 6) and about half way between the groove of the hoof and the white line. He said it will probably form an abcess but we won't be out of the woods for at least 6 weeks. So, anyone have any great ideas about how to get 10-12 tabs into a horse with finicky tastes? I know the trick about mixing them with Karo syrup and using a syringe to give orally. WOW, glad you spoke with the vet. Red was always willing to take his meds with molasses,.., but of course, Red was PERFECT!  But if I were trying with Mr Zippy, I might try apple sauce, molasses, Karo syrup, or combinations of different things. Definitely, have a syringe to use. Focus on the 'sweet tooth'. Good luck MM, keep us posted! |
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Post by lorddaxter on Mar 17, 2014 17:49:12 GMT
Huh, I didnt know not to take the nail out, I mean its your first reaction, Ive done it before, I agree on molasses and grind the pills in the coffee grinder into a powder, worked for my fussy ones:)
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Mar 17, 2014 17:55:33 GMT
I had to give pills to a horse once. My vet gave me a large syringe (no needle, of course), and told me to crush the pills, mix them in applesauce, put the mixture into the syringe, and squirt it into the horse's mouth. Worked great!
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Mar 17, 2014 18:36:50 GMT
Thanks. I will sneak a 60 cc syringe from work and mix them up with something. I think I have applesauce at home already and I know i have karo syrup so will try those first. Mister is so funny though. He doesn't like apples or carrots like a normal horse.
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Post by 1fatmule on Mar 17, 2014 19:43:19 GMT
i have never dealt with a nail, but had heard not to pull it out. i guess so the vet can see exactly where it went in, to get an idea if any real damage was done. i hope he heals fast for both of you, so you can enjoy riding soon.
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