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Post by horselady on May 26, 2017 11:31:54 GMT
How is the purchasing of the new farm coming along.??
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Post by ladymcts on May 31, 2017 15:00:30 GMT
Well, best laid plans ... I suppose the most important part is that I MIGHT be closing this Friday (June 2). But as of last night there were still some balls up in the air, something about the title company needing to do something before the Bank would give final approval to close. Remember where I said that I went to the national clydesdale sale and picked up a few items that would be useful, and I was proud of myself for not overspending at the auction? Well, as luck had it I headed out that day with a less than full gas tank planning to fill up at a particular spot about an hour from home where I know the gas is usually cheaper, but still a Shell brand gas station. We get there, and it was closed. The only viable option I could see was filling up at the truck stop next door. Huge [insert many epithets here] mistake. My truck has been at the shop for a week, apparently bad gas ... looking like it may need a new high pressure oil pump. The really sad thing is that the same thing happened with my last truck and I thought I had learned my lesson to stay away from truck stops. While I "knew" that lesson, I just didn't figure I had much choice on that particular day. In retrospect, I wish I had filled up maybe 1/4 tank and gotten myself to the next shell but instead I filled up the whole thing. This could end up costing me around $2500 ... don't have the full estimate yet, but that's what it cost me last time. So even if I close on Friday, I'm not going to have a truck to shuttle things back and forth like I had planned. And it turns out that my movers are no longer around ... they were some real nice guys who I've used a few times in the past for probably less than professional movers but since I have used them alreayd I know they work well and trust them with my stuff. They haven't returned my calls and they are no longer listed on the same website where I found them 4 years ago. So that's a bummer. So ... I guess this weekend I will turn my attention to fencing. I just don't see how the existing fencing could possibly be working if she has the wires fastened directly to the metal posts with no insulators. I got a chance to talk to her about it by phone and asked her who her fencing guy was, and she (very proudly) said she and her boyfriend did it all themselves. Um, well it sure as heck isn't carrying any current past the first metal post, lady. (I was very polite and acted impressed.) I think for the sake of speed, I may end up doing something like buying these: www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/step-in-poly-fence-post-48-inAnd attaching them to the short T-posts that are there, extending them up by a foot or two, and then running one good tape line across these extensions. I think that's what someone here was already suggesting? I'm also inclined to make sure I get a round panel onto the property ASAP, so that as a worst case scenario I've got some place I can keep my ponies in if my fencing turns out to be a problem.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 1, 2017 1:10:21 GMT
I don't know anything about stringing electric fence....it appears "neat" is all I can offer..
Those posts though my neighbor has. She uses them for portable fencing if she is camping. Her horses are extremely respectful of fence, electric or not. A piece of twine will hold her horses in as she found out be accident one day. I don't know if I would bother spending the money for something so "delicately" made... Would something like this not be a better value as it is metal and longer so more can be buried and it hold heavier wire than a plastic post? www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/studded-t-post-6-ft-125-lb-per-foot Remember I know nothing about electric fencing....
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Post by horselady on Jun 1, 2017 11:22:49 GMT
i agree with hl4l metal posts,, if they are there already you need insulators to not have wire touching metal..the posts you looked at are flimsy and short 5-6 feet is best. and panels are great make sure you get 10 of them plus a door, buying thins as needed and look for people selling things. i have strainers for tightening wire...1.00 each no including shipping
sorry about the truck.
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Post by ladymcts on Jun 1, 2017 14:08:04 GMT
Thanks folks! So ... let me explain ... the lady does have good solid metal T-posts in place already (like the one HL4L linked). My problem with them is that they are only 4 feet tall (above ground), and that some of them are not sunk very deep. Add to that the fact that her hotwire doesn't seem to be working properly (I have a tester so will confirm that soon), and this makes me WANT to rip out what she has done.
What I would really really like to do is to put in good permanent fencing more like wood or wood posts with tensile wire, something to that effect, at least for the small pasture where I expect to let the boys out most frequently. She has done an excellent job with wood posts for her corners of the pasture, so I have a good thing to work with. Problem for me right now is $$$.
So as an emergency just to get my horses in there to start me off and maybe make due through the winter ... I wanted to take these cheap plastic ones and affix them to the already placed metal ones, extending the height of each post by 1 or 2 feet. Then I run one hotwire across the tops of these extended posts. Then in the Spring I would re-evaluate how much I have for funds and what kind of more permanent fencing I want to put in.
A medium term solution might be to just replace all of her posts with taller T-posts. While I don't disagree with that plan, again funding is tight and I would probably still end up longing for a more secure fence overall.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 1, 2017 18:44:43 GMT
Lady.... in a emergency I would rather spend $100 on fence posts I know will survive more than a week and even if I only bought 30 of them spacing them further apart they can and will hold more "pull" against them than try to affix short and flimsy to a short post in the first place. They do make those steel posts you have on the fence-line longer than 5'-6' feet...I have some. If that quiets your mind... They take some skill to drive them right into the ground but sturdy they are and not going anyplace to easy.
My concern is when you attach flimsy plastic to the steel post it is still a weak connection and can not be pulled tension against. A electric fence not properly stretched is to me a accident waiting to happen. I don't love electric in the first place...but I think of a sagging line, charged or not as not functioning properly so not reliable. You need reliable all the time especially with your boys and their size. Those posts are made for a temporary enclosure...not much bigger than a stall not a paddock fence situation. I would hate to see you spend hard earned money only to need to spend money now you not have at all because the fix went bad or failed before it had a chance to truly work.
Although Tractor Supply is "horse-friendly" you probably can do better with selection of fencing ideas in a Lowe's or Home Depot. I just looked and both places have the longer, stronger steel posts in length from 4' - 8' in length depending upon store and stock.
I don't know about by you, by me...I can buy 2.5"-3" small diameter 6.5' long round pressure treated line posts for $2.99 each at my local farm supply store. TSC has them too for $1.00 more @ $3.99 each. That investment gives me a 4' high top rail in electrification, strength and longevity. I will do the deed once and it will be done for years. Optimally, 8' posts would be best for your boys, with their height and strength, but honestly... once you put a hard charge to that line they will touch once and not again. The difference though to me with the better posts or going to wood posts you can make sure there is not sag, no break of a circuit that might happen when you can only lay it on not straighten it out by applying any tension.. They don't tell you that though when you buy a portable corral kit... But you learn it by seeing it as I have done visiting my friends campsite with horses along.
Sorry, I say don't waste your money on plastic posts... Things that we do temporarily have a way of becoming permanent on our farms. Do it right so it is permanent, safe and you won't have band-aid fixes you need to fix again and again.
I spend money, my own and others... I am however, frugal and value conscious and making my dollar last and work the best for me. Please don't take offense, but I truly think you will be disappointed, unhappy and having to re-do the job sooner rather than buying yourself time.
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Post by ladymcts on Jun 2, 2017 12:11:38 GMT
Take offense??? Heck no way!!! Although I do have the desire to take a fence, something that's working well for someone else's clydesdales and they want to just move it for me. :-)
I totally hear you about temporary becomes permanent, and flimsiness of the plastic. I'll admit that the sagging or damage wasn't something I had thought of. I do also have something working in my favor, in that my boys spent 3+ years at a boarding barn where all they had was T-Posts with electric tape. So I know they are respectful of electric, and of fences in general, and that the kind of fencing in place can definitely hold them.
Mostly I was sulking because my truck was in the shop and I would have loved to spend this weekend shuttling my stuff up to the new place. If I can't do that, then I want to make myself useful some other way. But yah, throwing good money after bad is never good. Hmm, that was poetic, wasn't it? Sounds like a country song.
Anyhoo ... I'll take another look at everything today. I have a local area friend who has promised to come take a look at it and offer ideas and suggestions. Then I have the name of someone I got off craigslist who claims to specialize in livestock fencing. I didn't have any luck trying asking for contractors at Rural King.
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Post by ladymcts on Jun 2, 2017 12:13:00 GMT
Meanwhile I still have plenty of packing to do at the old house, so that's how I will make myself useful until the truck is ready.
Good news at least ... for this truck I purchased an extended warranty, and they are covering this repair! Woo hoo!!!
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 2, 2017 13:11:50 GMT
OK... Send me your private email PRIVATELY...in a pm!!
I just was sent a 15% off coupon for Tractor Supply good for June 5 from 5 -9PM only. Can save up to $100 dollars in near any store products... Here is your fencing needs savings... I will share it with you!! That goes for other members too...PM and I will send this on from my private email account. Just delete off my email with marker or scissor.
This is the kind of thing I get on a e-mailing list for. I receive discount coupons to stores I purchase at all the time. My email is not sold to others for spam and junk and I benefit. For me...I buy my horse feed and save enough that it pays for 1 free bag of feed...not bad for something I must purchase regardless.
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Post by ladymcts on Jun 3, 2017 22:02:53 GMT
The closing finished yesterday! Lots of hiccups on Thursday but we got 'r done by noon on Friday. I'm so happy!
I've made a couple of brief trips up there but not spent much time on-site yet. Am driving my parents' little sedan, so preferring to not put unnecessary miles on it, and also can't carry so much in it anyway.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 4, 2017 1:55:01 GMT
Woo-Hoo!!!!! Congratulations!!!
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Post by Lipizzan on Jul 1, 2017 11:01:02 GMT
Congrats. So happy for you. I bet you done quite a bit of work in this past month. I hope you enjoy your new farm.
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Post by ladymcts on Jul 1, 2017 23:24:20 GMT
Update on the farm ... sorry I haven't been coming in here much, but the last 4 weeks have just flown by lightning fast. Moving was an ordeal! My truck had a check engine light on in May, and I opted to go to my favorite mechanic who is above and beyond HONEST. But the shop is also SLOW. Basically they don't manage their load well and don't say no to enough people, or raise their prices high enough, whatever the case, they had it for over a month. Started with a batch of bad diesel, so they cleaned it thoroughly inside and out and ended up replacing both the high and low pressure oil pumps. Most everything went onto an extended warranty when I purchased the truck, otherwise it would've been thousands. Point being, I had no truck, but luckily my retired parents lent me one of their two cars, so I at least had transportation. So I kept using a little Honda accord to take a few things up at a time, which in retrospect was probably just a stupid waste of a lot of time behind the wheel. I would've been much better off renting a small sized U Haul than what I did. But by the time I rented the "big" U Haul, I thought everything was gonna go, but didn't. So I had to go back a second week and rent another smaller U Haul. That was fun fun fun. So I'm now officially out of the old rental house, and 99% of my stuff is at the new place. The remaining 1% being the big beasties and whatever gear I have in their trailer which is parked at their boarding barn. I got a couple of quotes on fencing and holy bleeping cow, what to do? What to do? The first dudes came from a Craigslist ad. They were very nice, and seemed eager to work, said they could do the job right away, but their "quote" was basically a one liner on a page of paper saying 750 feet of five strand electric braid fencing. I don't know if they are insured, have an actual business, have ever done fencing before, not much about them really - $2500. So then then I called someone who is highly recommended and also backed up for work probably not able to get to it for another 3-4 weeks. He wants $8600! Gasp, gasp, choke! I asked him for more of a breakdown, and $1500 is just for tear-down of the existing fence which is all T-posts. Another $250 is for hauling everything away. The rest is wood posts every 20 feet and four strand electric braid. That still just seems quite high to me ... this is all for just a 1/2 acre paddock, not the 2 acre pasture or the 5 acre pasture! Yikes!! So for now I'm under the gun to get my horses HERE from the boarding barn, because she's got someone lined up to take their spots. They need to move out by 7/16. So I've bought some supplies, and I'm going to see how hard it is for me to do a replace a few of the shortest and/or leaning-est T-posts, to kind of shore up what's there. I think I will also spend the fence budget money on a 60 foot round pen (panels), so that way if I get desperate I've at least got some kind of corral to throw the big guys into, if the fencing should really be a problem. Meanwhile, I also got thinking hard about being able to go out for lessons or trail riding. Jacques doesn't like to be alone. I mean he has uber panic meltdowns if he's out of sight of other horses, will scream his head off and pace and kick stall walls until he can see someone again. So you know what that means right? I need another horse! Went to look at a Clydesdale mare today who's just 30 minutes away and has had a pretty decent career as a broodmare but not catching anymore. She was in good health and pretty respectful, picked up her feet well, etc. It felt funny evaluating her just to be pasture pet instead of thinking "can she be an everything I want her to be horse?!" Their asking price is about right for a horse they aren't guaranteeing can do much of anything ... low for a registered clyde but a tad high for a pasture pet. Then there's a "rescue" also around here that I've been talking to a little bit. He's got two Percheron mares, each one with a variety of issues, like blind in one eye and long term abscess that's not been clearing. But he's clear about his intentions ... he buys at auction and fixes what he can and resells, but his main goal is to save what he can from slaughter, not to make a profit. So I haven't gone to see him yet, but I would consider one of the mares. What I dislike about both options is - MARE. I'm worried about how herd dynamics may go... Jacques loves the ladies and will be a jerk to Reggie about that. Reggie on the other hand seems to have eyes only for Jacques. They have been kept with mares before and are currently in a 3 gelding to 2 mare herd mix, so it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that everything could be fine. But I still have a personal preference for geldings and think a gelding would be best. Well, that's an update, I could talk your ear off some more but I actually need to get some jobby job work done tonight, so that's all I could tap out in about 15 minutes. !
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Post by horselady on Jul 3, 2017 11:05:29 GMT
Perhaps call the lower guys in and ask them to help you re-do what is there, and the panels for round pen, you can buy them separate , buy more than you think you will need, never know when you need extra.. go slow and get the pasture ready. 5 strands sounds excessive, go with three and electric the top and middle, for a start, you can always add, as for the mare, sounds like she needs a home. much to do,, so take it slow
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Post by ladymcts on Jul 5, 2017 11:34:49 GMT
Well I had a rather disappointing night last night. I've had possession for a full month and for some reason just kept putting off testing of the electric fence. I guess I just kept finding other things I felt were more important. But last night I got out there with a tester. Turns out the signal is weak from the start out for about 20 feet, then stops dead at the first gate. So 750 feet of fence and only 20 of it electified. Great. Just great.
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 5, 2017 19:44:16 GMT
Maybe the 750 feet is good and it is a problem in the first 20... I will think on the side of least work needed. On the worst... You need a new charger able to do 5 acres so you can do a double line... Then you need 1500+ feet of wire. You have all the connectors in place, most of the posts in place... Gates in place...a few connectors probably are needing replaced, but everything You're not starting totally from scratch of nothing. Replace those posts with the ones in Lowes... I looked and saw and they WILL hold and stop your horses. If they stop and hold against a 2000 pound bull your ponies are good behind them. $3.99 each, heavy duty steel post. The posts at TS for $1.99 are junk in comparison and flimsy...
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Post by ladymcts on Jul 19, 2017 14:59:33 GMT
Update!
HL4L - you were right!!! I did some reading up on basic troublueshooting of electric, and one of the main things suggested was clearing weeds. Well the lady moved out in April/May so the weeds were pretty bad. Since I'm going cheap and don't have a fancy mower and no tractor, I was out tehre with a push mower taking down all the tall grass below the fence. But in the process, I spotted a broken insulator just the third post out, instant grounding. Once I got that fixed, the voltage went up quite a bit. Then once I finished the mowing, the voltage went up even more.
If I'm reading my tester correctly, I take the "2.2" displayed on screena nd multiply that by 1000 to get 2200 volts.
And yes, I ordered some 8 foot T posts from True Value, and was going to try ordering from other places with differing costs, but I do like these which seem to be a quality heavy steel. I bought a T post puller and a bunch of T post toppers. I think if I just get my interior paddock areas beefed up a littel bit more with these taller heavier posts and some better tape or rope I will be pretty happy.
So I bit the bullet and brought the horses home on Saturday. Knocking on a plank of wood, no problems since they got here. Still using the original fencing with no improvements yet.
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Post by carshon on Jul 19, 2017 19:05:04 GMT
So happy for you and the horses! Way to go powering through with your mower. As for the Craigslist people ask them to come out when you are there - they may be good guys just trying to get some work. We have answered ads like that and been pleasantly surprised
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Post by horselady on Nov 30, 2017 0:20:32 GMT
Lady_M how is the farm doing???
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 10, 2017 13:54:55 GMT
I would like to know too and see some pictures
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