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Post by horselady on Jan 27, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
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Post by redzip on Jan 27, 2017 12:43:10 GMT
I just CAN NOT BELIEVE there are no AC agents, or FDA, law enforcement agents in place to control a situation likd this  smileys-sad-593832 Utterly HORRIFYING!!!  Thanks for posting for me HL,.., I think AWARENESS is incredibly important IF THINGS ARE TO CHSNGE FOR THE BETTER. |
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jan 27, 2017 13:16:45 GMT
So so sad....
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Post by horselover4life on Jan 27, 2017 15:19:21 GMT
Now, no throwing tomatoes...
I am on the feeling, caring side but I am also very realistic about what goes on here...
I wonder if there are/were agents, but traveling ones who may have been at a different location while this happened.
Or, as she said it was late...had already gone home for the day, arriving late after normal work hours.
Slaughter bound horses are not treated as you would your personal pet, that is for darn sure....
When you realize the number of animals that go through the auction houses in the area.... New Holland is only one of a few actually.
Sadly, this one made the "news" only because a rescuer saw firsthand when she went to retrieve another....
I would hope this is not common but an exception, but I am not blind to how the animals are treated...
Options for some selling are not reality when if someone is selling because they can't afford the animals keep, the local rescues are over full and turning away those in need, then yes, the auction house is the next step if they need whatever $$ they can get in their pocket and be out from horse bills.
I love how they say to euthanize...
Sadly, if someone could afford to euthanize they might instead of auctioning a animal, but to euthanize is not cheap.
If they can't afford to keep, feed or maintain they can't afford the vet to euthanize...think about it!
They sell, even cheaply at auction, they get a $ for the animal and don't want to look at where the animal goes or some truly don't care.
My gf just euthanized her horse Wednesday afternoon....she owned him for 29 years. He was 31....
Euthanizing is $500 without burial or removal of the body, minimum...she hasn't seen the bills yet.
When I last lived on Long Island in 2012, to euthanize and dispose of the body started at $1,300.00 or more, then.
My gf also had a colic happen is why she lost her beloved pet...so add those bills of another $500 - $1000 or more on top of euthanizing...
This animal from the article didn't deserve the treatment she was given once she went down, for sure.
There do need to be things done to ensure animals are treated better....
However....This is a business.
As a business emotions are not allowed to interfere and I guess some become hard-hearted and cruel in their dealings.
There is a job to do and that is it....
As a human with a heart you would have to become "cold, cruel and calculating" to do this day in and day out....
The complete opposite of a rescuer who sees often with their heart on their sleeve....reason why many rescues fail themselves or don't do right by the animals and have confiscations themselves.
This lady who was infuriated by the treatment....she had a chance to purchase and did not because she could not take care of the animal either.
I wonder what ailed the horse to collapse as such..
She raised awareness of what she saw, although many horse people are aware already of what transpires...
I do know though that some of those bought destined for slaughter don't go....
They are taken to another farm where many are evaluated, fed well, cared for and ultimately find a new home with caring owners.
I've had horses under my care, been through the New Holland sale itself and the kill-buyers farm not far away...
It is the unlucky ones, many of them just not being re-bought that do go down the road.
Some should be on a truck, some should not and it hurts my heart to think of the demise and end for some magnificent animals.
If you want to make a difference, stop breeding so many backyard horses and buying their get because they are cute...
This is what can happen when you can't sell and need to, period!
Petition and be a sensible intelligent voice and advocate for better conditions and treatment of the animals during the sale, during transport and till they are unloaded and given to the intake department of the slaughter house.
Just be realistic in the fact, some you can't save no matter what you want, it just can't be accomplished.
Sadly also add in that this business is a business and emotions don't factor into the equation in this business, they can't.
I've worked the inside of the horse business as have a few other members here..it is not nice and rosy many times. Hence why I write sometimes the way I do.
You do what you must without emotions involved for the animal at times...in my case I never worked slaughter houses nor the auction sales barn floor, but I have been at those sales a few times...brought some horses home left many behind that death would be welcome to them.
This horse became a lost commodity or $ to the kill-buyer when she went down and would not get up... if not "on the hoof" and walk through the door no animal slaughter house is supposed to take the animal. That goes for cattle, pig, goat,  , chicken or anything... here in the US.
Horses slaughter bound go out of the country and I have no idea of standards of care or how the animals must enter the system in other places...but I have heard the horror stories too.
Still ducking those tomatoes...
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Post by Terry on Jan 27, 2017 22:09:54 GMT
Heartbreaking smileys-sad-593832
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jan 28, 2017 8:23:11 GMT
Now, no throwing tomatoes...
I am on the feeling, caring side but I am also very realistic about what goes on here...
I wonder if there are/were agents, but traveling ones who may have been at a different location while this happened.
Or, as she said it was late...had already gone home for the day, arriving late after normal work hours.
Slaughter bound horses are not treated as you would your personal pet, that is for darn sure....
When you realize the number of animals that go through the auction houses in the area.... New Holland is only one of a few actually.
Sadly, this one made the "news" only because a rescuer saw firsthand when she went to retrieve another....
I would hope this is not common but an exception, but I am not blind to how the animals are treated...
Options for some selling are not reality when if someone is selling because they can't afford the animals keep, the local rescues are over full and turning away those in need, then yes, the auction house is the next step if they need whatever $$ they can get in their pocket and be out from horse bills.
I love how they say to euthanize...
Sadly, if someone could afford to euthanize they might instead of auctioning a animal, but to euthanize is not cheap.
If they can't afford to keep, feed or maintain they can't afford the vet to euthanize...think about it!
They sell, even cheaply at auction, they get a $ for the animal and don't want to look at where the animal goes or some truly don't care.
My gf just euthanized her horse Wednesday afternoon....she owned him for 29 years. He was 31....
Euthanizing is $500 without burial or removal of the body, minimum...she hasn't seen the bills yet.
When I last lived on Long Island in 2012, to euthanize and dispose of the body started at $1,300.00 or more, then.
My gf also had a colic happen is why she lost her beloved pet...so add those bills of another $500 - $1000 or more on top of euthanizing...
This animal from the article didn't deserve the treatment she was given once she went down, for sure.
There do need to be things done to ensure animals are treated better....
However....This is a business.
As a business emotions are not allowed to interfere and I guess some become hard-hearted and cruel in their dealings.
There is a job to do and that is it....
As a human with a heart you would have to become "cold, cruel and calculating" to do this day in and day out....
The complete opposite of a rescuer who sees often with their heart on their sleeve....reason why many rescues fail themselves or don't do right by the animals and have confiscations themselves.
This lady who was infuriated by the treatment....she had a chance to purchase and did not because she could not take care of the animal either.
I wonder what ailed the horse to collapse as such..
She raised awareness of what she saw, although many horse people are aware already of what transpires...
I do know though that some of those bought destined for slaughter don't go....
They are taken to another farm where many are evaluated, fed well, cared for and ultimately find a new home with caring owners.
I've had horses under my care, been through the New Holland sale itself and the kill-buyers farm not far away...
It is the unlucky ones, many of them just not being re-bought that do go down the road.
Some should be on a truck, some should not and it hurts my heart to think of the demise and end for some magnificent animals.
If you want to make a difference, stop breeding so many backyard horses and buying their get because they are cute...
This is what can happen when you can't sell and need to, period!
Petition and be a sensible intelligent voice and advocate for better conditions and treatment of the animals during the sale, during transport and till they are unloaded and given to the intake department of the slaughter house.
Just be realistic in the fact, some you can't save no matter what you want, it just can't be accomplished.
Sadly also add in that this business is a business and emotions don't factor into the equation in this business, they can't.
I've worked the inside of the horse business as have a few other members here..it is not nice and rosy many times. Hence why I write sometimes the way I do.
You do what you must without emotions involved for the animal at times...in my case I never worked slaughter houses nor the auction sales barn floor, but I have been at those sales a few times...brought some horses home left many behind that death would be welcome to them.
This horse became a lost commodity or $ to the kill-buyer when she went down and would not get up... if not "on the hoof" and walk through the door no animal slaughter house is supposed to take the animal. That goes for cattle, pig, goat, , chicken or anything... here in the US.
Horses slaughter bound go out of the country and I have no idea of standards of care or how the animals must enter the system in other places...but I have heard the horror stories too.
Still ducking those tomatoes...
All good points. But, there is always a but. I can understand there should be no emotions involved with buisness. I can understand but can't accept. All slaughter hauses should treat animals better. |
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Post by horselover4life on Jan 28, 2017 13:02:15 GMT
Lip, there are emotions still involved, of course there are.
I think honestly what happened, the kicking of a downed animal was a freak thing. I hope so in my heart.
We, as horse owners have great sentiment involved with our horses...we love them, we baby them, we fuss with and over them...
This is a business, being that, the employees are not mushy about the horses in sentiment.
They do care, I have seen horses at New Holland be treated by vets, have a gentle scratch, fed and watered well by the buyers their....
They do such things also on the farm they go to....
So, I do have to ask....
Have you ever been to this kind of auction? Very different than a breeders auction of valuable breeding horses and their get...
You also must realize that the article was written for "shock factor" from that rescuer....she is obviously getting it.
En-flame the emotions, raise the anger at the kill-buyers....
In reality, this country is flooded with more horses than people want.
Not every horse needs to be saved and not every owner can afford to euthanize, can not sell and this is what takes place.
Most horses are not treated badly at the sale, they aren't....
This was a low-life group of people who acted as such. Yes, the buyers left and left the animal where it went down.... I do have a feeling there is more to the story than what is told and shown.
First off if you know horses you know a horse will not intentionally step on another but jump over it...a cow will trample on you, not a horse.
Her video she showed raised some immediate concern in me about that horses health...it also showed the mare was provided with a full clean water bucket.
You were painted a terrible side...there is another.
Those kill-buyers do sell from their farm many horses as I already wrote. Many people also raise "bail" as it is called and rescue more if it is indeed "save-able" ....more stories about that kind of thing are around the internet too.
Now, this "rescuer" also just got free-publicity for her rescue....and yes, it involves getting donations.
This rescuer is also not a 501c, only has "applied" for it which means she is not a legit rescue....
As I said before,.... I do have a feeling there is more to the story than what is told and shown.
I do also wonder as she arrived "late" if the horse when it went down had not been seen by a vet already and was told there was nothing to be done.
The "kill-buyers" were loading a tractor-trailer of horses...who knows in what order that mare was to load. It takes time to load many horses one at a time.
There is no written law saying you must euthanize a dying horse. That is done by us with soft spots in their head and heart.
Euthanizing also contaminates the animal and it then can not be discarded easily....euthanasia drugs have a shelf-life of many years and to bury a euthanized carcass can be poisoning your water supply in many areas..
There are many "red flags" for both sides in this article...
It did bring notice, it did en-flame and it did bring this woman free publicity about her "rescue"..
And yes, I am very cynical, but caring. I do see the other side...
Another book.....now closed.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jan 29, 2017 8:46:26 GMT
For me is simple as that.
Horses,cows, and other animals should be treated better in slaughter hauses and transportation to them. Period. Just because they are supose to be killed does not mean they should not be treated as leaving creatures. I do eat meat now, but only meat that was im my yard and I know how it was treated.
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Post by horselover4life on Jan 29, 2017 12:30:12 GMT
For me is simple as that. Horses,cows, and other animals should be treated better in slaughter hauses and transportation to them. Period. Just because they are supose to be killed does not mean they should not be treated as leaving creatures. I do eat meat now, but only meat that was im my yard and I know how it was treated.
I do eat meat now, but only meat that was im my yard and I know how it was treated.
Now that Lip, I can not do...
If it was in my yard it would of been "pet" status and I do not eat my pets.
I can eat the eggs from chickens, but that is where it stops for me.
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Post by horselady on Jan 29, 2017 19:05:40 GMT
I have been to auctions.. and have witnessed the abuse and have stepped up and stopped it and told the person he better treat the horses better or he and the auction house were going to be on the investigation side of the law. there really is no need to prod and beat. and shove and use bats and hooks on any animal.. sure they are big but a scared animal is scared for a reason.. treat it decent and it calms down and goes about where you want it.
i have also seen abuse in the show grounds.. and again have stepped up and made my voice heard in defense of the horse.
if you are at a sale or anywhere there are animals .. and you see an abuse step up.. and be heard.
as for sending to auction, yes.. sometimes there is no alternative. even advertising a free horse or a cheap one is not going to guarantee that horse is going to be someones pet. Breed responsibly.. and if horse owners saved some monies for euthanizia than there will be no problem in putting down a sick horse.
yes it is a business. and a cold heartless one at that. also these horse dealers do sometimes bring the horses home to a lot and sort out and sell for higher to private people..
the animals are the ones that are being used and bred and sold.. just a little respect is all that is needed.
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, chicken or anything... here in the US.