redzip
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Post by redzip on Dec 14, 2016 2:51:52 GMT
I noticed a local boarding stable charges the owner/boarder extra for bedding in their 'full care' board price  I think thats a little odd myself, since I consider bedding to be included in 'full care' board situation. Price of full board is $500 a month. Price of bedding is $8 a bag if not provided by owner (bagged bedding sells for $5-6 at TSC). They used the bagged bedding from TSC when Zippy stayed there. Any thoughts?? |
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Post by horselover4life on Dec 14, 2016 11:03:09 GMT
Full care to me is...
Feeding, including the feed & hay {barns choice of brand/type} to 10 pounds feed, 20 - 25 pounds of hay a day.
All buckets cleaned, water buckets especially, filled.
Stall cleaned daily at least once, bedding added as needed.
On a already established stall base, 2 bags a week = 8 bags a month..more than that you are charged for.
Turnout, everyday for a minimum of 1 - 2 hours weather permitting.
Blankets changed as needed, within reason. A turnout put on, a stable blanket returned when the horse comes in if needed...
Today with people having "warm-blood" horses I can see where limits need spelling out on amounts of food and bedding provided for a "price".
Those larger horses cost more to feed, and what goes in comes out, so yes, bedding can be a consideration.
Having a written contract with amounts of product supplied in the price is fair and upfront to the business and the horse owner.
Unless though the horse is a slob, the barn is not careful on stall cleaning procedures...or they are purchasing smaller bales of shavings {they do come different sizes} those 8 bags should make it.
Occasionally a extra bag might be needed...but not often and not more than 1 or 2 ever.
As for price of them...a convenience to the owner extra is on hand, yes they are entitled to cost mark-up same as your vet does to medications prescribed and supplied to you by him.
jmo...
So, yes....bedding IS included in full board cost but there is a limit on amount used.... 
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Post by horselady on Dec 14, 2016 12:34:35 GMT
Yes bedding should be included. it is in most facilities.. BUT i am sure you have one or two boarders who go into the stall when no one is around and picks at the bedding and uses EXTRA... i had a lady here that brought in a two year old. and boy what a pain in the butt she was. always putting more water. hay and bedding and always wanting this or that for the same amount of monies.. she also wanted me to lunge the filly.. WELL i got my dander up one day when she went into the stall after hours , which i did give permission.. and she totally cleaned out the stall and used two bags of shavings.. i hit the roof the next morning when i saw that.. SO i told her to NEVER touch the stalls. hay or water again and i gave her two weeks to get outta dodge.
so yes , shavings and bedding in full care is provided. but i have a feeling if it is discussed with the barn owner it is only for certain people that abuse the bedding. also some horses are pigs. literally and take more bedding changes than some,,, and for that i would charge extra.. but i would buy my own and not pay them more.. besides tsc bedding bags are smaller than the average bedding bags that i get.
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Post by mistersmom on Dec 15, 2016 3:19:56 GMT
I currently have Parker on full board (he will be kicked out of his stall come spring!) and it is as hl4l outlined but we don't actually use bagged shavings, we get bulk shavings on a trailer delivered and the stall cleaner adds more to the stalls as needed. I don't think she beds deeply enough but that is just my personal preference and there is adequate shavings in the stall so I don't cause a fuss.
At the barn in MS that I managed, the actual number of bags of shavings used were charged on the board bill (most everything else was covered under the flat board fee). Most horses used about 8 - 10 bags a month but we had one horse who would almost flood his stall everyday with pee (just the way this horse was, the vet looked at him multiple times). He used almost 2 bags every two days for him.
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Dec 15, 2016 16:03:04 GMT
I guess Zippy is just a VERY TIDY BOY bc I only add about one bag of bedding a week,., even less in the summer  But, oddly, after I went back to pull the website, she had changed it to say nothing about bedding, but owner supplies their own feed for full care??
I thought, did I imagine this (??) ^^ but I couldn't have bc I read the $8 surcharge,.., humm crazy!!
Now, I guess I am questioning the feed charge,., humm??
i'm going to look over the entire web page again,., I didn't imagine it 
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Post by redzip on Dec 15, 2016 16:16:05 GMT
Ad for full care board -
STALL BOARD FULL CARE - $500.00
R S R supplies hay. Boarder supplies grain. Feeding is provided 1x per day. Salt block provided. Full care includes daily turnout and access to pasture. 12 x 12 stall with shavings are provided. Stall cleaning is provided daily.
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Post by redzip on Dec 15, 2016 16:19:40 GMT
Heres the $8 surcharge,., my bad, thought it was full care.
This actually makes better sense -
WEEKLY RATE - $150.00 per horse
RSR has stalls available per day/night for short term stays or can offer weekly accommodations for weekly stays. The animals are offered a clean, empty stall, separated from resident boarders for health and safety reasons. One bag of shavings is provided for each stall. There is an $8/bag charge for any additional bales of bedding. Owners must supply their own hay and feed. The rates includes our service to strip and clean the stall at the end of the visit. Owners are responsible for daily cleaning off the stalls.
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Post by horselover4life on Dec 15, 2016 17:06:44 GMT
Ah...this makes much more sense. This sounds like a barn for those traveling or stop-over a few days. Even professional shipping companies would use a facility like this on occasion. Only thing I don't see mention of is current vaccinations and coggins need to be presented before availing yourself and animals of the facility...paperwork shown before any unloading takes place. It is just a stall, a place to hang out in that does not move under the feet or hooves in this case. Better known to us as a form of rough board. |
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Post by horselady on Dec 16, 2016 0:42:17 GMT
So full care board is 500 a month and boarder provides grain and the horse is only given it one time a day? i must be behind the times.. and i suppose if you need your horse fed twice a day there will be a charge for doing that.. ??/ creepy.. way to much to remember. who buys what and which horse gets which grain how many times a day is he getting grain.??// as for the layover board.. great that there is a place people can off load for a few days in a stall. and yes pay for shavings .. and of course check those health papers.. |
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Post by Terry on Dec 16, 2016 1:27:33 GMT
The weekly arrangement seems reasonable to me, and it's nice that they offer that, but the "Full Care" boarding situation seems really messed up! I can't believe that, for $500 per month, even though they call it "full care", they still expect the boarders to provide their own grain, and then they will only feed it to the horse once a day! I'd have an issue with that, but hey, that's just me.
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Post by redzip on Dec 16, 2016 4:14:43 GMT
I agree,., full care should include 'house' grain.
If the owner wants a specialized feed, more costly, then I might understand it.
Also, 1 feeding per day might be a sticking point for mr, at $500 a month too.
There was mention of proper paperwork on horses visiting, I just didn't copy that part.
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Post by horselover4life on Dec 16, 2016 11:14:11 GMT
To me, to many contradictions. 
I would not be bringing my horses to this facility.
I guess it might be the going rate today for a stop-over barn. $16 a day..... If it was me though, thank-you but no thank-you about any of their feed being fed I would supply my own hay and grain. I can just see a horse being given a different hay everyday for a week of traveling and stops nightly..... can we say vet visit in order!What alarms me more though is the barn only feeds once a day to stalled horses.... Yikes... wag finger
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Post by redzip on Dec 16, 2016 14:26:21 GMT
Yeah really ^^,.., they have to make up any differences by feeding more hay, which is fine,.., unless they put restrictions on how much hay they want to feed. They have a small pasture, about 3 acres and then some smaller turn outs,., probably a total of another 2 acres for horses, 5 +\- total. They generally have about 5-8 horses on the property. IDK if they put out round bales, but with the number of horses they probably should, especially in winter. When Zippy stayed there (its a training barn) I supplied all hay and grain, so requested he get what he was getting at home, plus grain when in training. Just seems like boarding barns come in all shapes and sizes these days with all kinds of different expectations. Humm?? |
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Post by majandra on Dec 18, 2016 16:13:27 GMT
I pay 500 for board. That provides my boy a stall and daily pasture turnout with hay (either forked or round bale) and auto-water. Board also includes hay, oats, and beetpulp. I have an arrangement with BO that they pay for some of my hay cubes since my boy doesn't really eat the hay. He gets his blanket put on for turnout, and off inside. He gets bedding, and his food and water set out for evening, and stall gets cleaned daily. I buy his supplements, which I put in daily ziplocs to make it easier for them to add to his feed. I have a place for feed bins in the feed room, a hook for blankets, a locker (or two) for my tack, and use of the indoor arena.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 18, 2016 19:26:45 GMT
Boy I am glad my horses are at my home  |
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Post by redzip on Dec 18, 2016 22:25:40 GMT
Boy I am glad my horses are at my home Me too Lippy ,.., altho the amentities (rings, indoor, on site instructors) are nice perks to have mini-graphics-smileys-484642 |
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Post by horselady on Dec 19, 2016 1:53:17 GMT
I have retirement horses and i am raising my prices as new ones come in.. in fact thinking about it next spring i will be increasing board on some that have been here years and have only had one increase. the prices i am hearing about are way higher than what i charge and i include all .. of course except special grain. and meds.. mini-graphics-christmas-957275
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 19, 2016 13:02:14 GMT
horselady I think that is a smart idea. Your horses are well taken care of, they have all that they need and more. Your god soul should not stop you to charge what is fair. It is still a business you run. redzip, I hear you. I would love to have an indoor area to ride when it's so cold outside |
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