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Post by horselady on Apr 26, 2016 18:09:57 GMT
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Apr 27, 2016 1:24:04 GMT
Alright, sit back and get comfortable, because I've got a story for all of you.
When I got to the vet's office over my lunch hour today to pick up the meds I found out that, when they called the pharmacy about this again yesterday, they were told that there were more delays and it was going to be even longer before the meds were ready (the pharmacy is apparently claiming to be backlogged with orders right now, or something along those lines). My vet's office was irate. They asked what the pharmacy had in stock, because this was taking far too long. Apparently the pharmacy had the medicine in granule form in stock, and it was enough to take care of Sis for the full 2 months prescribed by my vet, so the pharmacy was told to cancel the previous order for the pellets and to immediately overnight a 2 month supply of the granules. That is what arrived this morning. Frankly, at this point I don't care what form it's in, I just need to have it so I can start giving it to Sis!
Now for the rest of the story...
During the almost 3 weeks that I've been waiting for the medicine to arrive, a couple of things have happened. The first was that Sis had a rough week not this past week but the week before. She was spending a lot of time laying down and just looking miserable. Fortunately by last week she had perked back up a bit and was back to just looking really tired most of the time, but not to the point of laying down so much.
Also, during this time Zena has started being very lethargic, looking tired, she's been grumpy (all of which is so completely out of character for Zena), she had random joint swelling in her fetlocks a couple of days and, while I wouldn't necessarily call it lameness, she has had days where she just wasn't walking quite normally. I had taken my dog to the vet this past Friday (routine nail trim and annual heartworm blood test - nothing wrong with my dog) so while I was there I spoke to my vet about Zena. She asked me if I wanted to have Zena blood tested for Lyme Disease too, but I told her that, since we already have a definite blood test confirmed diagnosis on Sis, and based on Zena's symptoms, I was willing to just assume that Zena also has it, and that I would like to just start treating her too. My vet absolutely agreed.
So, when the meds arrived today, the vet's office labeled one month's worth for Zena and one month's worth for Sis (Sis is getting 22cc of Doxycycline twice a day, and Zena is getting 25cc of Doxycycline twice a day), and they ordered another month's worth of meds for each of them today as well. I told them that I don't care if it's granules again or pellets, but that I absolutely cannot have any lapse in between giving the first month's doses and the second month's doses, so those meds had better get here before the first month is over! They assured me that they will stay on top of the pharmacy.
Both horses got started on their meds tonight, but of course nothing is ever easy for me (story of my life). The meds are supposedly apple flavored, but neither horse wanted to eat it. Fortunately, knowing how picky my girls can be, I had planned ahead for this possibility and I had a jar of molasses on hand. I mixed some molasses into the food and medicine that they hadn't eaten, and they gobbled it right up! Tomorrow I won't even give it to them without putting molasses in it first.
This is what the medicine looks like, if anyone is interested.
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Post by horselady on Apr 27, 2016 2:32:31 GMT
THANK GOD you got the meds. and since it is doxy. than get ready to re order. and even from a pharmacy they sell those to dogs. and horses all the time. and have plenty on hand.
also perhaps change it up with apples or shredded carrots. you should be seeing a change in them in about a week. and also watch the hooves for heat.
as for the meds. there is no excuse for a company to have a back log that bad they could not send a portion of the order out. perhaps it is time for the vet to look at a different supplier. or another one to order from. just in case.
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Post by carshon on Apr 27, 2016 15:58:26 GMT
I am so sorry Zena seems to be affected too. And you are a FANTASTIC horse Mom - just simply amazing. Knowing your horses as well as you do has helped them get on the road to recovery and get their meds into them.
Keep us posted and prayers for your girls.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Apr 29, 2016 17:01:09 GMT
What do my horses look like with Lyme Disease? In a word... MISERABLE!
These pictures were taken while we were waiting what felt like an eternity for their meds to arrive. I would not wish this on anyone! The girls have now been on their meds since the night of Tuesday, April 26, 2016. Sis is already looking more perky, and Zena is slowly starting to perk up a bit.
Through trial and error I have now come up with what appears to be just the right amount of water to add to their feed to get the meds to stick to the feed and soften the feed a bit, without making it too soupy (I found out that Zena won't eat it if it's soupy). In addition, this morning I was able to get Zena to eat her medicated breakfast with no molasses, and Sis only needed a small drop of molasses on hers to get her to eat it! I would like to be able to get them to eat it without any molasses, but if I have to put some molasses on it to get it in them I will, I just want to keep the amount as small as possible.
We still have a long road ahead of us, but it helps that I'm seeing even a little bit of improvement already. In the meantime, ride and enjoy your horses for me (I won't have a horse to ride myself for quite a while), check your horses, dogs, cats, family members, and yourselves for ticks, and do what you can to try to prevent this from happening to you.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Apr 29, 2016 18:49:50 GMT
Poor babies! They do look pretty miserable. I check Beau every time I groom him for ticks - found 2 the other day but they had obviously only just attached. Sometimes I feel like no one else in the barn grooms their horses as thoroughly as I do and I'm afraid they are missing the ticks. I try to tell the kids when I find ticks on Beau in the hopes that it will make them think about looking on their horses.
I'm glad to hear the girls are starting to feel better and you are finding the secret way to get the meds in them. I will continue to pray for their recovery.
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Post by horselady on Apr 29, 2016 20:07:32 GMT
Yes they look miserable. but they are getting their meds and it will take a week or more to have some affect.. oh and the pony??? have you thought about checking her. i know it is added stress, BUT if both horses and dog have lyme perhaps pocket does too.
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Valhallanite
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Post by Valhallanite on Apr 29, 2016 20:54:52 GMT
Aw the poor things, you can see they don't feel well. So glad you finally got the medicine. We have a lot of ticks here, when the kids were small we used to check every night. I had lyme a few years ago, one of my son's had it, and my former dog had it even with the dog vaccine. It is a miserable disease. I took my dog for a walk yesterday on the road and found 3 ticks on him, and he was 90% on the pavement! It's crazy. We all have to be vigilant for sure.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Apr 30, 2016 15:44:12 GMT
Yes they look miserable. but they are getting their meds and it will take a week or more to have some affect.. oh and the pony??? have you thought about checking her. i know it is added stress, BUT if both horses and dog have lyme perhaps pocket does too. The dog does not have Lyme Disease - she's fine. She just had to go to the vet for a routine nail trim and heartworm test.
The pony appears to be fine as well. I am watching her closely for any symptoms, but so far she is not showing any signs of Lyme Disease.
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Post by carshon on May 2, 2016 18:27:15 GMT
Terry - I showed these pics to my daughter. We do not really have a tic issue at my place (no trees and no tall grass) but she found one on her mare after we rode last week. I had already told her about your horses but wanted her to also see the pics. I am glad Sis seems to be feeling a little better. I am sorry that this has happened - but thank you for sharing. My daughter at 16 tends to rush through the prep list for grooming before and after a ride and your posts only help to educate her on what "Could" happen.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on May 3, 2016 0:33:31 GMT
Thank you, Carshon. I hate that this has happened to me and my horses, too. I really didn't think we had a tick problem here either. I never find them on anyone, but obviously I wasn't looking hard enough. :-(
I started this thread for 2 reasons, (1) to get information about symptoms, prognosis, etc., from others who may have gone through it before to help educate myself; and (2) to help educate others; so if this thread and the pictures of my miserable girls helps your daughter (or anyone) avoid having this happen to their own horses, then I'm glad that at least some good can come from it.
On the upside, tomorrow night Zena and Sis will have been on their meds for 7 full days, and they are already showing marked improvement!
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Post by horselover4life on May 15, 2016 18:40:06 GMT
So, it is now 3 weeks into medication administered.
How are the girls doing Terry?
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on May 15, 2016 21:23:30 GMT
I know on FB she mentioned they were feeling better but a full update would be great.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on May 16, 2016 3:16:11 GMT
Sorry I haven't updated sooner, but there's been a lot going on, I've been really busy, and just haven't had much free time.
Sis is doing great! In fact Sis is feeling so good that she's been trying to see what she can get away with. wag finger That girl needs a serious refresher in the round pen, but I won't push her that hard just yet, so she's just being corrected immediately as usual whenever she tries to get away with something.
Zena on the other hand has had me on a roller coaster ride! After about a week on the meds I could tell that both girls were starting to feel better, but Sis was improving faster than Zena. Then Zena started having good days and bad days, with two mild colics thrown in for good measure. Fortunately both colics were mild and both resolved on their own after I gave her a dose of banamine. Obviously I was concerned, though, so I put a call in to my vet. I was afraid that Zena might be having some sort of bad reaction to the meds, so the vet asked me to take Zena off the meds and keep her off them for a week. I stopped the meds, but Zena was still just not quite right, so I asked the vet to come check her out. The vet went ahead and tubed her while she was there just in case Zena might have a small impaction, although the vet said Zena's gut sounds were good and all of her vitals were normal. We kept them in their stalls that night so I could monitor Zena's poop. She did pass 3 poops overnight, the first two being loose and sticky looking, and the third one being normal (sorry, probably TMI, right? LOL).
Anyway, around the same time that we started the meds, we had also started the process of weaning the girls out to pasture. I always wean them out very slowly, and I've never had a problem doing it this way, but this year we started getting a LOT of rain shortly after we started the weaning process (it was basically raining every single day!) and the grass was growing like crazy. By the time Zena had her 2nd mild colic, she and Sis were up to grazing for 3 hours. The vet believes that Zena wasn't having a bad reaction to the meds, but rather that Zena was gorging herself on grass and was giving herself gas colic because the grass is so rich due to all the rain. The vet recommended that I get Zena a grazing muzzle. I got the grazing muzzle for Zena and I also backed off how much grass time both horses get right now, but it's been like walking on a tight rope trying to balance their time out to grass and trying to make sure Zena is getting enough grass while wearing the muzzle, but not too much. This whole situation has made me a stressed out basket case; I feel like I'm losing my mind, and I just want to pull my hair out! On the plus side, Zena has been doing great since the vet tubed her and we cut back her grass time. She's looking and acting much more like her old happy self again.
Tomorrow Zena starts back up on her meds again. At this point I'm just ready for the rain to stop (or at least slow down) so things can dry up a bit and the grass won't be so rich, so we can get back on a more normal routine.
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Post by horselover4life on May 16, 2016 10:11:04 GMT
Mixed blessings and results....
BUT....I will take that information as "On the road to recovery!!"
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Post by horselady on May 16, 2016 11:18:52 GMT
Yhe road to recovery is a good thing and the balance of the grass and when it is enough can be as upsetting as the actual lyme. keep pepto bismal on hand and if gas colic occurs again dose with 60 cc of it via huge syringe.. they sell the really big ones at tractor supple. even mylanta.. both of which i keep in my cabinet for horses. hopefully your stressing will ease as you find a routine that works for all of you. even keeping in a dry lot during your busy time and letting them out when you are home. ?? this too shall pass. thank goodness.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on May 16, 2016 14:29:53 GMT
I'm about ready to string Zena up this morning! As if my stress levels aren't high enough already, Zena decided this morning that she didn't want to eat her grain because it had her medicine in it (I started her back on her meds this morning). Unfortunately I don't have all day to wait for her to eat it because I've got to get ready and go to work (she made me late for work this morning), but I wasted most of my morning going back and forth to the barn to see if she had eaten it yet. Hubby eventually went out there (after I had ranted to him about it) and he hand fed her the medicated food until it was gone. I do not have time to hand feed "Her Highness", so I'm going to get some applesauce, mix the meds in the applesauce, and syringe it down her throat twice a day for the next 6 weeks or so (even though I don't have time for that either!). I'm so frustrated, stressed, and upset right now I could just scream!
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Post by carshon on May 16, 2016 16:03:49 GMT
Hang in there Terry - horses are such delicate things aren't they? We have to watch grass at our house too. The rain has been a nightmare! We are stuck at 1 hour per day and on the really wet days no grass. I don't have a lot of pasture so that is one of the reasons. Grazing muzzles are our friends too! My daughters mare Gracie will eat her omeprazole but won't eat Remission so we have to wet her feed down after she has eater the OM pills. My new mare will not eat hay - wetted, dry fluffed in a hay bag, on the ground in a feeder. She just pics at it.
Gotta love em!
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Terry
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Post by Terry on May 16, 2016 21:43:44 GMT
Thanks, Carshon, I'm trying to hang in there, but right now it sure is tough.
People never believe me when I try to explain how delicate horses are; they just see this big, strong, beautiful animal and think that nothing much will hurt them. I think that only those of us who have or had horses really understand how truly delicate they are.
Oh, the picky eaters! What a pain in the butt they are! LOL Definitely gotta love 'em, but some days they make it just a little harder to do that than others. ;-)
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Post by horselady on May 17, 2016 0:19:38 GMT
I might suggest putting that medication into a small amout of grain with apples and carrots. and just leave her in a stall or dry lot alone with her feed ,,, i prefer the pills as i put them into slices of apples and i make slits in carrots but with powder it is more difficult. find a candy she likes. and perhaps grind it up and add it to the antibotic. it is amazing with their huge lips they always leave the crushed bute on the bottom of the bucket. lol
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