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Post by carshon on Feb 25, 2016 17:03:26 GMT
I am thinking of starting Steve (my gelding) on Magnesium Chloride. Mainly for his feet. Steve has had had some not so great feet most of his life. He was started as an older colt (3) and not ridden in any real type of work until he was 4. Mainly due to the fact that he was a very large colt and we felt that his growth needed to slow down and his body mature before we rode him. At 8 he became my main riding horse as I retired my paint mare. He has always had issues with abcesses and pancake feet. And being very very tender on rocky ground. About a 17 months ago we switched farriers to one we love. Steve's feet have improved immensely - no more abcesses and no more chipping. He is however still sore on gravel - he wear boots when we ride. The farrier said that he has very thin soles - I have tried Keratex and other topicals to strengthen them with little results. In reading an article on gravelproofhoof.org the one hose sounds exactly like Steve - has built up large callouses on his feet - somewhat sensitive to grass in the spring and no pigment on his hoof bottom showing. I am really interested in trying Magnesium Chloride to see if it makes a difference.
has anyone tried this?
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Post by horselover4life on Feb 25, 2016 22:04:47 GMT
Isn't having thin soles like a inherited thing and you can't change it?
I know my farrier has worked on my neighbors horses a few times now and has made a remark to her to not allow her farrier to pare the sole as her horse is foot tender/sore thin soled too... He said clean up the frog, trim the hoof growth as appropriate and barely do anything to that sole.... The sole callouses are formed and when it is pared you defeat the purpose as now the callous is gone and needs to reform... Callouses will shed naturally.... He also told her her horse would do well to wear shoes as it would elevate that sole a tiny bit off the ground and stop most of her sore foot issue {horse has other issues too} I was also told when I bought my paint horse he could not go barefoot as he would split his hooves because of his size from "force" by her farrier... Well, I don't like her farrier and have found my own. His hooves were in piss-poor condition and shoes not properly sized or fit to his foot shape Now, my farrier has this horse barefoot with great feet, no splits, no chips and sound as a dollar.
Wonder is any of this could be applied to Steve and help you carshon???
Have you considered Venice Turpentine painted on the soles? I like using it better than Durasole.
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Post by horselover4life on Feb 25, 2016 22:17:14 GMT
carshon.... There is a product called Remission manufactured by AniMed One of the highest magnesium levels along with supportive ingredients... www.horse.com/item/animed-remission/BWA63/ I used this on our horse trying to solve the spook issue {which it did not, he was just plain REACTIVE!!} It did though improve his feet, his coat and tail growth was incredible...
A idea although no idea if it works for you or is the "right" magnesium as there are several variations {epsom salt is another} You, of all people know this though... mini-graphics-smileys-955610
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 22:25:08 GMT
I was also under the impression that being thin soled was an inherited thing and can be 'managed' but not fundamentally altered.
After Apollo's injury he had a lot of complications relating to his feet (not specifically being thin soled, but he is tender on hard surfaces now and needs to be managed differently). I found a high level biotin supplement most helpful, in helping with the quality of new growth. That being said, biotin must be fed everyday and for quite some time before it really starts to have a noticeable effect.
I was also going to suggest Venice Turpentine. I have been using it on Benny and it works like a charm. It is cheap and works way better than other stuff I have used in the past. Just be sure not to get it on anything as it is a real bugger to get off. I have found it is easier to apply when slightly warmed. Benny is also on a biotin supplement and you can now notice the difference it has made in his feet. For me the Venice Turpentine and the biotin is a winning combination.
I unfortunately have never heard of Magnesium Chloride for feet (or anything really) but will be googling tonight to read up on it! One can never have too much knowledge. If I come across anything interesting I will post it here.
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Post by carshon on Feb 26, 2016 14:19:35 GMT
All of my horses go on Remission in the spring - they are all getting older (Steve is the youngest at 14) so we feed Remission just to be safe or we feed HEIRO. Neither has made much of a change. Talked to one of the vets last night. They are just wonderful where we work and all 4 will stop and answer questions. She said it cannot hurt to try as Mag toxicity is hard to make happen. I will be doing more research. His feet are trimmed every 6 weeks by a great farrier so I know it is not his trim. He has had Biotin and I did not see much of a difference after 6 months.
So more research for me and maybe some experimenting.
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Post by Lipizzan on Feb 26, 2016 16:39:30 GMT
found this: balance the minerals www.drkellon.comFeed straight grass hay (take away alfalfa and oat) boot 24×7 or glue on synthetic shoes or boot shells add boots for all exercise if left barefoot change the environment to be non abrasive ; add soft dirt, saw dust, move to a soft pasture change the trim technique to NOT trim sole and to let the walls get to be 1/8 to 1/4″ beyond the sole Try Keratex applied daily. www.keratex.net/hoof_hardener.htm “Keratex Hoof Hardener is a gentle acting chemical formulation which forms additional intermolecular bonds between molecules of keratin through the process of cross-linking. Keratin is the main protein constituent of horn and is best described as the building block of the horn structure.” Try Hoof Armor www.hoofarmor.com/ “Hoof Armor® hoof protection is an easily applied adhesive coating that Farriers and horse owners alike can utilize to protect their barefoot horse’s hooves against abrasion and wear.”
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Post by Lipizzan on Feb 26, 2016 16:40:39 GMT
and this:
Alfalfa often results in a more brittle wall and poor wall attachment. I see this on most horses… the feet almost always get better when alfalfa is removed. Many horses grow a soft wall on oat or grain hay. I don’t know why! Its anecdotal. I was skeptical about how much the small amount of alfalfa in the Elk Grove Stable Mix could affect the feet, but have one client who exchanged Elk Grove for straight grass hay pellets and the difference in the amount of wall separation by the next trim was significant. Its anecdotal, but its something you can try. Too short a wall trim eliminates traction so the sole is subject to more abrasion. Temporarily letting the heel get a bit taller helps relieve sole abrasion. Let the sole grow and you can lower the heel later. Using boots 24×7 for a week to 2 or 3 months (with pads and Gold Bond) protects the sole and allows it to accumulate. Once the walls are solid and sole has developed, feet usually stay nice unless the environment is extremely abrasive. Thin soles make feet tender and can result in mild inflammation, which appears to cause poor wall attachment and wall flare… vicious cycle! Wall attachment is better when feet are comfortable.
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Post by horselover4life on Feb 26, 2016 17:15:53 GMT
carshon.... Biotin is not enough by itself. I think it is lysine, methione and something else if not in correct amounts fed WITH the biotin that makes the results happen...
I can't tell you where I read that, why or how I know of it but I have heard/seen it from someplace very credible.....
You want the hoof structure to improve, that takes more "stuff" involved.....
I just don't know if that genetic tendency can change enough to make Steve not foot sore or tender....
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Post by carshon on Feb 26, 2016 21:10:53 GMT
Thanks! My horses do not get alfalfa hay normally some hay may have a very little amt of alfalfa but 98% of their hay is grass hay. I feed a mix of oats and Safe Choice Maintenance but again very small amounts. Horses get Remission as I have said and all have a Redmond Rock in their run in sheds (each horse has its own 15 X 15 shed and a run attached to it) We owned Steve's Mom and she had fabulous feet - never wore a shoe the entire time we owned her (15 yrs) the sire was a friends horse and he was stalled most of the time so hard telling about his feet.
I may have to try the Biotin again- I know that his feet are in good shape trim wise and am frustrated that he cannot be barefoot when we ride. The boots are nice but I had hoped one day to ride without them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 22:35:52 GMT
Biotin supplements do take a long time to work, and like Horselover said, it is not the biotin alone that does it, it need to be combined with other ingredients. The stuff Benny is currently on (and that I am very happy with) is called GroHoof. greenhawk.com/wdItemDesc.asp?strilhID=Web&strmdNumber=HOO4521&stricSKU=HOO4521It did take about 7 months of feeding it every day before I saw improvement in the quality of the new growth of his hooves. Now that it has been about a year and a half the improvement in his feet is dramatic (significantly less chipping and cracking, faster growth and easier to deal with the few cracks he had prior to me buying him) The one I used with Apollo was Leaps and Bounds marystack.com/leaps-and-bounds-equine-hoof-supplement-1lb/ This one was recommended by the vet that was treating him at the time. While it does still take a while to work, I did notice improvement faster than with the GroHoof (about 4 months). That could just be the difference between Apollo and Benny, or the fact Apollo had nowhere to go but up from where he was when he was started on it vs Benny whose existing hoof quality was Ok.
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Post by horselady on Feb 27, 2016 0:53:18 GMT
I am finding this thread a great learning and informative discussion for me. as i really never had a problem with soft feet, and when i did i just let the hooves grow and provide a good grain with all the minerals. and have the farrier only trim the hoof wall and never the sole. in my personal situation these horses are hardly ridden and during their retirement the soles get harder. i hope you can solve his hoof problem. perhaps not have him trimmed so often?? i googled magnesium chloride and came across this. www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-chloride/
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Post by carshon on Feb 29, 2016 15:08:34 GMT
I will try and get a pic of his feet to share. The issue is not his hoof wall - his hooves never crack or chip at all anymore. And when I say a trim every 6 weeks it is more like a rasping to keep his heels low and his toes rolled. All 4 of our horses feet look amazing after switching farriers. Steve's issue is most definitely the sole being too thin - and our farrier does not ever touch his sole - so I know that is not the issue. I hope the mud clears up enough to get some pics. Expecting a few inches of tonight so maybe things will firm up enough for a pic tomorrow. The Magnesium Chloride is something I am very interested in trying. Neither Remission or Heiro have enough Magnesium to really make too much of a difference. My vet said give it a try and let him know what I see.
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Post by horselover4life on Feb 29, 2016 15:33:37 GMT
You know to much to quick and diarrhea comes....caution! ...yuck!!!
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