Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 21, 2015 9:15:57 GMT
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Post by dickel on Dec 21, 2015 12:49:47 GMT
I know that I am to heavy and to tall for my horses.
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Post by horselover4life on Dec 21, 2015 14:55:28 GMT
Not so sure about that dickel.... If you rode your horses you would still be standing and straddling their backs...
Decent article and glad they do mention bone structure, fitness and balance/experience of the rider assisting the horse. I've seen {like all of you have} the rider who is balanced, quiet and assists their horses movement who was plus sized.. I've also seen the rail thin rider who bumped along, was busy, busy, busy and hindered every step the horse took... The weight determination positively needs to be on a individual basis if "close" to what you see as limits.
We have all seen horses who carry to much weight and cringe.... Does it take a toll on them...how could it not over time. It takes a toll on our childrens' backs to carry book-loads to heavy for them...back packs or not...they can't stand straight in alignment, have sore muscles and seriously medically diagnosed spinal issues from to many textbooks being carried. If a human can be affected why not any animal....
I would not allow a "heavy" rider to jump my horse but to ride him on a trail walking for 1/2 hour to a hour...yes. I have well fitting tack and saddle pads to help distribute that weight load...but the load of push and land over a fence.. not going to happen.
I do agree that people need to be realistic about the weight they truthfully are and ride a horse capable of carrying that weight. Those that are "obese", well..., driving is a option to explore for a horse fix.
And yes, I am no skinny rider but also don't own nor ride small framed horses either! I ride quietly and balanced and that does make a difference that I not slam and jar that animals every step... So I "get" this article from both sides.... Bottom line is it is called "Common Sense". ...
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 21, 2015 15:36:16 GMT
Good point there h4l. I thought this would be interesting conversation article and I agree with you that a bad skinny rider can make a lot more damage then good "heavier" rider.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 16:33:31 GMT
Interesting article.
Myself, earlier this year I struggled with a loss of confidence and major issues relating to my weight. I am not huge, but I am not exactly 'delicate' either.
I have lost about 30 pounds since the summer and am continuing to lose. At my heaviest, with tack, I was about 17% of Benny's weight. Benny is a Thoroughbred, but he also is really thick for a Thoroughbred (frequently mistaken for a quarter horse) and has great bone and a strong back. I had him in pretty heavy work and he seemed to suffer no ill effects. That being said, I am relatively well balanced and watched very closely both my saddle fit and signs of stress. He was frequently seen by a certified chiro to make sure things were good and staying good.
When I got hurt this spring, my much more petite friend worked him for me. Same tack, same horse, but he was stiffer and more tense at the end of it all than he has ever been with me. She is a good rider, but she doesn't ride as 'light'.
Now that I have lost some weight (and Benny is more fit) I do notice he goes better. This could be advancements in his training, or because he has 30 less pounds to pack around, or maybe both. I still ride fairly intensely and have him seen by the chiro and he seems to be doing just as well.
20% is a good guideline, but with all things I think it needs to be considered with a grain of salt and each situation evaluated as a case by case basis.
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 21, 2015 16:44:21 GMT
Nicely said Apollo. I noticed for example that some horses that I ride and that are "harder" with body signals don't quite react good on my seat because I am light.... and the same horses react much better with my boyfriend who is duble my weight. It all depends on horse training but being too light isn't that great either.
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Post by carshon on Dec 21, 2015 17:00:59 GMT
the same arguement has been used for riding bareback. For most of my life I rode only bareback. I rode a Morgan/Paint cross - she was about 15H and 1000 lbs. Built more like the sturdier Morgans. I have never been light - but have always been an athlete. Modern day trainers - research says riding bareback is hard on a horses back due to concentrated pressure. I rode Cherokee every day (literally rain or shine) with a friend of mine. We rode everywhere. Some weekends we would ride 12-14 hours straight. When Cherokee had to be PTS at 25yrs old her back was a straight as a pin, her legs clean of any blemishes and she had never been sore a day in the 23 years that I owned her. I rode her far into both of my pregnancies - we rode along the roads up and down hills etc.
Now my very large Appy and I struggle with saddle fit - he has large mounded shoulders and a short back and there are days I know that while not testing sore he seems more stiff and less willing to work.
Of course weight should be an issue but rider riding ability and tack play a very major role.
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 21, 2015 18:02:20 GMT
Agree carshon, I think that poor saddle fit makes much more damage to horse back then riding bareback. I love to ride bareback and I feel much more comfortable and insink with my horses, I feel like they move much more frely without saddle and girths.
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Post by mingiz on Dec 22, 2015 2:06:43 GMT
My Rawhide sounds like your Appy. I had a time finding a saddle to fit him and stay on his withers. I got a tucker from a friend and it fits him well. He is only 14.3 but very stocky MFT. My Big Horn fits 15.2 Reno well and so does my Eli miller. The Eli is the lightest of all 3 of them. I guess I ride well enough that I haven't caused any damage to them. I'm not a little thing...
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Post by hugs on Dec 22, 2015 2:42:47 GMT
The article did infer horse conditioning overall. In addition to that would be to also consider specific warming up prior to harder work and a cool down after, common sense but not often considered. Plus other stretches and perhaps even massages for that faithful athlete that totes us around. Some folks sadly treat their horses like things.
I calculated Peaches and my percent and we're at 16% with my barrel saddle and 17% with the Billy Cook. Which makes me think of her tolerance for my clumsy way of hoisting that hunk of gorgeous saddle on her back lol She's so good to me. Now Ziggy is taller and thinner, so when she makes her way over here I won't use my BC and we'll have a percent closer to 19% so I guess I best be even more diligent on my WW so I can be ready for spring.
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Post by dickel on Dec 22, 2015 12:53:23 GMT
Remember most all of these types of studies are written to prove a personal opinion. I grew up with the saying that figures don't lie but liars do figure. Some are very artful in writing with enough truth to make you think it is all truthful. It looks like the experiences told above by yall gives pause to the article.
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 22, 2015 13:53:10 GMT
Dickel I could not agree more. One thing is to write about something, expirience and practice is different thing.
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Post by carshon on Dec 22, 2015 15:56:23 GMT
Remember most all of these types of studies are written to prove a personal opinion. I grew up with the saying that figures don't lie but liars do figure. Some are very artful in writing with enough truth to make you think it is all truthful. It looks like the experiences told above by yall gives pause to the article. I love this quote! So much attention is given to rider weight - but a heavy person can still be a healthy and active person. The whole trend to ride drafts is spurred on by the rider weight - but drafts are not bred conformationally to carry a rider. For many many years I rode a wonderful POA mare - and I am sure that I was over the 20% rule. This mare carried my sisters and I to many a 4-H competition where we ran poles, plug races and jumped all in one day! She carried 3 girls all day long in many different classes - up until I was in High School. We sadly parted with her when my sisters and I all truly outgrew her - our feet were below her knees. She went to another family that loved her and cared for her until her death in her 20's. She still looked good when I last saw her at about 25. I want what is best for my horse but sometimes it is so hard to tell what pad works best, what saddle fits best what bit is most comfortable. I just do my best.
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