nhg
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Post by nhg on Aug 30, 2015 19:40:16 GMT
What would you say are average costs or issues that come up with breeding a mare? We're having this argument as to whether it's cheap or expensive with some friends. I think by the time you pay for the stud fee, vet costs including things like ultrasounds to see if she's pregnant, mare care while she's there, costs for transportation if you don't have a trailer or gas if you do, and additional board if you don't have your own place adds up pretty quickly.
Foals are selling at auction for $60 right now because of the hay shortage here in Alberta.
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Post by horselover4life on Aug 30, 2015 21:25:32 GMT
My opinion....
You can buy a live foal, with good conformation and health, the colors and markings you want without risking your mares life. Not every pregnancy results in a beautiful baby and a healthy mom.... Sometimes you get the worst of babes and or a dead mom...
Something if I really loved my mare I might not want to risk...
Sometimes actual $$ can't be put on the what-ifs that can occur.
nhg...for the price of many foals today you pay a heck of a lot more out to breed your own...with no guarantees.
Foals for $60...seriously!! Why breed! {I know, I know the answer to that but seriously!} ...
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Post by mistersmom on Aug 30, 2015 23:10:18 GMT
I agree with HL4L - if I were wanting a foal, I would definitely buy. Like HL4L said, you can usually find exactly what you are looking for in a foal that is already on the ground (including the mindset of that foal which would be huge to me). Even if that foal were say, $5000, I think it would be cheaper than trying to breed.
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nhg
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Post by nhg on Aug 31, 2015 0:33:20 GMT
We're trying to talk her out of it. That's why I wanted to know about what it would cost, to help with our argument. Also, her horse is a TWH and isn't registered and can't be. And she boards so she'll have to pay the extra board.
I totally agree that if you just buy one you know that it's healthy, and you can pick the sex and colour and personality. I'd get one that's already here rather than breed one if I had a mare. I sat on the ground with a three day old TWH foal in my lap as he was put to sleep because he was born without a urethra while his mom paced around very upset. I'd had to hold him while they put a line up into his penis trying to figure out what was wrong with him and felt his little body jerk with each poke. It was one of the most horrible experiences I've ever had to go through. After I sat with his little body in my lap and I just cried over him.
And I lost my first horse when she tried to miscarry the twins she was carrying. I was twelve and heartbroken.
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Post by leli on Aug 31, 2015 1:18:14 GMT
I did some quick calculations based on what I have experienced working at my BO'd barn where she breeds, and between vets, stud fees, grain, and extra hay $2500 would be a good estimate for the pregnancy and through to weaning. A bit cheaper if you wean early but my BO usually waits till after the hard part of winter. And like you said, foals can have many things wrong with them. My BO had one with a protein issue and had to wean him from his mom early because of it. At one point he could only stand if we used a sling and had several people be able to pull him up. One had to be put down this year just after weaning when he got a bacterial infection and they discovered a heart murmer, among other things. One last year died less than a week after being born for no apparant reason. Another was lost when the pregnant mare got kicked in the head and dropped dead. Things happen.
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Post by horselover4life on Aug 31, 2015 1:38:24 GMT
leli...did you figure in board costs to that figure as the people looking to breed don't own a farm but board so.....
I can't imagine breeding a grade horse.... For what?
I've been in the breeding shed when world champion Quarter Horses were bred...talk about money standing around...mare & stallion both worth incredible amounts! Stud fee was $2500 alone and think that was cheap...but the people had some kind of connection, a favor being called in. I know if the mare care prior to breeding finds complications of infections and such those fees are considerable to get and keep her "clean"... ...
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leli
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Post by leli on Aug 31, 2015 4:26:39 GMT
I didn't include board costs, since that would depend on when the BO actually starts charging you board on the foal and how much. I *think* my BO hasn't charged board until the foal was closer to weaning and it was I believe less than normal board due to their size. And that fee would be incurred even if you bought a foal or just a second horse so I wouldn't attribute it just to breeding your own. But I can only really think of one person who had their horse foal at our barn (bred to the BO's WB stallion). And unfortunately her mare ended up dying about a year (?) after foaling due to what they think was a heart condition brought on by the pregnancy. This mare also sustained an eye injury while at the vet's being inseminated (had to have her eyelid sewn shut with a tube in it so you could get the meds into the eye) and also had a few choke/colic episodes while pregnant. She was in her teens and a maiden mare. I didn't include things that you would incur just by having the mare itself (like her board fee, farrier, etc.). And used a conservative $500 stud fee since I've seen fees in a wide range depending on the breed, genetics, performance history, etc.
ETA - I personally would prefer to just buy a two or three year old that is ready to actually be worked with. I know someone who bought a yearling and has been paying stall board on that horse for a year. With what she spent on board alone she could have bought an older, at least green broke filly/colt. Just the board alone. And if you included the purchase price.....a nicely trained one ready for the show ring. That doesn't even include the feed it gets every day, the farrier, shots, deworming, blankets needed because it comes in during the winter (and outgrows as it ages).
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Post by horselady on Aug 31, 2015 11:29:18 GMT
I have raised from my stallion an arabian and a few mares , for me it was simple put the stallion out with the mare and 11 months later a foal. but that is me. I still have 3 of his offspring and one i sold when she was two to a great family that fell in love with her . These three are pasture pets now and only one is trained to ride and has not been ridden in years. i stopped breeding when horses became an expensive hobby and more were being sent to slaughter than were being kept so with that in mind why infiltrate the world with more. for $60.00 go buy several. turn them out than in a years time bring them in. start them and than sell them. no profit in horses. that is why it is calls a Hobby for Kings.
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Post by carshon on Aug 31, 2015 12:54:59 GMT
We bred our mare many years ago. She had great bloodlines, awesome conformation and a wonderful personality. The stud fee (13 years ago) was $350 for a registered unproven stallion that we thought complimented our mare well. Regular vet checks and shots for the mare and 1 ultrasound, plus the Ludalace (sp) to bring her into heat. Vet visits alone came to about $500. Once on the ground he was allowed to be a well mannered foal. Part of the cost is keeping a "useless" animal until it can be broke to ride. We sent Steve for training at 3 - I had done the prep work - we just wanted a better handle on him. 30 days of training was $450
So - to get a green broke horse we paid about $1100 - in todays market and even back then I could have had a better broke (and shorter!) horse for about what I had into him
I would never breed in today's horse world. I see my dream horse once a week for sale on various sites. All for less than $1000 - I am at my horsey hotel limit now - but seeing so many great horses go for next to nothing makes me ill.
I sure hope your friend changes her mind.
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Post by 1fatmule on Sept 27, 2015 17:48:22 GMT
I haven't been here in a while, and I am catching up now Tell your friend to visit a couple of site's on fb, bastrop LA kill pen, auction horses (any location) or pregnant mares in kill pens. just maybe she will think against breeding her mare, who hasn't really done anything "important" in her life. in these overcrowded lot's many registered mare's can be found, often with an obviously well bred (unpapered) foal by her side. in the next pen, or maybe standing on the scale to get weight (to know how much she is worth per lb.) stand's a mare about 2 week's from foaling. these mare's can, and do ship, and are a favorite of the shipper's because of their weight. hopefully she'll think twice before breeding her mare.
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Post by nhg on Sept 29, 2015 22:13:36 GMT
Thanks you guys. I haven't heard anything lately but I do hope she changes her mind.
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