redzip
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Post by redzip on Aug 21, 2015 14:04:36 GMT
Ok,., I admit,., I have started using Quietex with Zippy to take the edge off when I have a lesson. I debated it, but he is just a hot horse, and that leads to being argumentative/combative, and thats just makes him more 'up'. So after considering that I don't want to waste my lesson time, dealing with attitude for 20 minutes, I gave the Quietex a try. And, BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE in attitude!!!! I have been administering 1/2 a tube (1/2 dosage) about an hour before riding, and it REALLY seems to be helping the anxiety he has. He fights less, quits the argument wayyyy more quickly, and is getting further ahead during our lesson time. I hate to rely on something like that, but if it accomplishes the goal, and reinforces the GOOD behavior, then, maybe, in time, it can be taken away and the good behavior will be fully entrenched in his mind,., Fingers crossed!!!! I feel like its just another training aid,.., people always say they don't want to use these artificial aids, etc. BUT, then the reality is, they do anyhow. So, I am having success, my instructor is having success, and I'm hoping that success will grow exponentially
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Post by horselover4life on Aug 21, 2015 16:39:04 GMT
Hey...if you stumbled onto something that can benefit the horse foremost, then you...why the heck not use it?
The benefit is "real", not imagined and not like you do this non-stop. wag finger If during a lesson time it helps to calm his nerves and antsyness....the benefit is to him not to have you needing to discipline him but to teach him from good experiences....
You know, smart parents use dietary restrictions or some medication to help their child learn in a constructive environment if they need it, not needing constant discipline or belittling that often happens... What makes the educating of a 1200 pound horse any different.
To me.... 1200 pounds of muscle mass agreeably working with you, NOT against you is a win-win-win situation!!
I'm glad you found something that helped the situation!! graphics-3d-smileys-082254 ENJOY the RIDE!!
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Aug 21, 2015 16:56:06 GMT
The lady that occasionally rides in my lessons gives her horse some sort of quiet aid like that (not sure if it is the same thing) and it seems to help them.
If it works, it works and I don't see a huge problem with it. I wonder what would happen if you only gave a 1/4 dose? It would save you some money if it still did it's job. And if it didn't, then you know you need at least a 1/2 dose.
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Post by nhg on Aug 21, 2015 17:50:08 GMT
We used something like that years ago for the first few horse shows that we took a young horse to. It was just local shows and we just wanted him to have a good experience. It didn't make a huge difference but just took the edge off. I don't see a problem with it. I'm glad it's working for you but I bet it's pricey. Heather used BCalm for Fox a few months ago and it settled her right down. Then she stopped using it and Fox has been like difference horse ever since, not spooky and level headed. So we don't know if she just matured enough and would have been good anyway or what happened.
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Post by horselady on Aug 22, 2015 0:49:37 GMT
You have discovered a product that will help him focus on his lessons and you. perhaps start to lower the dosage every couple of lessons just to see what happens. as he is maturing and getting the hang of being a horse with knowledge and training versus spook. you might find that he might not need it. Many trainers us different types of calming agents when working with high energy and spooky horses.
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Post by ladymcts on Aug 29, 2015 4:34:59 GMT
If it works, go for it! As you may have read, I finally resorted to Ace for getting Jacques into a trailer. Prior to going that route, I had tried Quietex, Tryptoplex, Divine Equine, and Total Calm & Focus. I was aiming for products that had different active ingredients. I'm putting the list of products down the bottom here in case you do want to shop around and try different ones.
In Jacques' case, not one of them made a dent in his tantrums. (And yes, I was using a weight based dosing, figuring he was 1700lbs, which was basically 2 tubes of each product.) He would go into the trailer fine, but the moment I would start making movements to tie him in there or close up the doors, he would panic, and because he's 1700lbs of angry, he would win.
So now that we had one utterly and completely successful loading in which I used Ace to get him in the tin can, I'm seriously considering getting another dose of Ace and trying again. My goal would be to load him up without it, but use it as my backup. My hope would be that by having one or more experiences in the trailer that go well, I might win back his confidence in me that the trailer doesn't automatically mean a bad thing. So that yes, my goal would be to wean him off it.
In your case, I'm kind of thinking the same thing ... use it to your advantage, and don't be too quick to stop it, but my hope would be that the more positivie experiences you both have together, the more likely he may do OK without it, or wean him down off it rather than cold turkey. (hah, notice the reference to a natural tryptophan source there?)
Quietex Active Ingredients per ounce: Ignatia amara .00476 mg, Valerian root .00476 mg Inactive Ingredients: Aqueous gelatin, methyl paraben, propyl paraben, saccharinate
Tryptoplex Water, L-Tryptophan, Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ginger, Glycyrrhiza, Juniper Berries, Cherry Extract for flavoring, Benzoic Acid (a preservative), Sorbic Acid (a preservative), Xanthan gum.
Divine Equine Active Ingredients: L-Tryptophan 5%/1.7 gm Inactive Ingredients: Valerian Root, Black Cohosh, Passion Flower, Ginger Root, Hops, Wood Betony, Cherry Extract for flavoring, Benzol Alcohol .05%, Sorbic Acid as a preservative, Xanthan Gum.
Total Calm & Focus Active Ingredient Ramisol
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redzip
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Post by redzip on Aug 29, 2015 10:22:42 GMT
Have been totally happy with my decision using the Quietex, Ladymcts My thoughts exactly as to replacing his scary experiences with more positive ones, and eventually not using at all. I also think those pastes, etc are pretty mild,., Sometimes you have to do what keeps you SAFE first, and improve upon that experience with repeated good experiences. Hoping you get Jacques to accept the trailer loading better without the fear and fuss
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