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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 10, 2015 20:49:48 GMT
Farrier was out yesterday and did trims, I rode Dax today, he has really good hard feet and feels nothing, well today he was lame as in falling over all his feet on the gravel, I took him on the grass and he was fine then onto the asphalt and he was perfect, flying along, no lameness or hesitation then coming back up driveway on gravel falling over again so much that I had to dismount.
I cant say if Ive ever ridden him on the day or after he has had a trim so not sure if this is the norm for him, its the same farrier Ive used for past 5 years, I love her and have never had issues, is this common, I seem to remember someone saying they never ride after a trim but forget who and why?!
Anyway just looking for input:)
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Post by horselady on Jun 10, 2015 21:08:19 GMT
I have a feeling she took so much off the sole instead of just trimming his hooves , and i bet she took out frog too. leave him for a few days for the soles to grow in. and NO it should not cause him to be that sensitive on the gravel UNLESS what i said is what she did. Next time do not have her take sole off. (or frog)
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 10, 2015 21:14:43 GMT
I have a feeling she took so much off the sole instead of just trimming his hooves , and i bet she took out frog too. leave him for a few days for the soles to grow in. and NO it should not cause him to be that sensitive on the gravel UNLESS what i said is what she did. Next time do not have her take sole off. (or frog) Ill have a look, his feet are pretty concave and I didnt notice any frog off but Ill look at his sole closer later, just as hes getting fat too:( |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 23:01:32 GMT
I thought the same thing, sounds like too much sole was taken. He definitely should not be sore on gravel. Poor guy.
Not much you can really do if that is the case. Let him grow for a few days, keep him on soft ground if you can and maybe some sole hardener if you get desperate.
Hope he feels better soon!
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Post by nhg on Jun 11, 2015 3:50:05 GMT
It's me that told you that we never ride within a few days of a trim. This is one reason why. They usually trim down the soles and they don't have to take too much off for them to be ouchy on rocks for a few days until the 'new' sole toughens up. It would be like having a callous removed. The skin underneath is sensitive for a few days.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 11, 2015 10:24:31 GMT
 .....oops, double post.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 11, 2015 10:35:02 GMT
According to my farrier he says "Go, ride now...no reason to wait"....
He says the horse should not be sore or lame from the moment he is done working on them.... if they are he needs to know cause he screwed up and caused it.
My farrier actually encourages you to ride the same day if not right away.
Was put to me like this.... you clip and file your fingernails.
Does that make them sore or hurt...should not unless you made them to short.
I would notify the farrier the horse is sore now.
Yes, you have no choice but to give it a few days to grow out...
All my years of owning and riding horses I have never had to not ride the day they were trimmed or shod...
Sorry, a horse having regular shoes or a trim....  that is ridiculous sounding to me.
Isn't it Venice Turpentine that toughens soles?
In a pinch you can use Betadine too.....
LD.... are your horses feet normally "soft"?
Do you still have a lot of moisture, as in wetness they stand in daily?
Those above products may help you to keep the feet from getting to soft....or to give you some "wiggle room" now you have a issue.
Sounds more like a issue of to much sole, to tight a trim back happened....if it persists besides calling the farrier I would give some Bute for a day and a half {3 feedings}...
jmo...
ETA: I just spoke with my hubby who worked with my farrier, his best friend for years....
Only time he said a horse should not be rode the same day is if the horse has problems with their feet {may be unknown to you} and would be foot sore for 2-3 days or if the horse had pads & silicone injected so it not squish out...otherwise, go ride.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 11, 2015 12:32:03 GMT
Its really dry here but I'm treating them daily, Dax has never been sore, Ira feels gravel all the time so I'm heading out for Venice turps as soon as I can, I'll bring dax onto gravel today, see what he's like, they were a little overdue and I know she took ira a bit shorter but Dax looks just the same as usual
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Post by carshon on Jun 11, 2015 12:34:32 GMT
I learned a lot in the trimming class I took and one of the main things we learned is that you really do not have to trim the sole or frog. Clean up loose chalky stuff off of the sole (false sole) until you get to the waxy sole (live sole) and leave it be. For the frog clean up any tears or tags that are obviously shedding anyway. The one thing I have to do for my horses is clean up the bars. They all had severely over grown bars -
Other than that I just file and balance. We will see how I have been doing my farrier comes on Friday just to make sure I have been doing alright by their feet.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 11, 2015 13:40:17 GMT
That's great carshon....
A look-see to check all is well... 
And if any corrections need made it can be accomplished right away and then you are good to go again and follow the template done by your farrier.
Sounds like a win-win all the way around. 
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 11, 2015 20:11:11 GMT
So Ira is worse, hes okish on grass but crippled on gravel and uncomfortable on asphalt, looks like a few days off for them both:(
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 11, 2015 21:20:21 GMT
Darn ld....to much removed to make him that sore-footed. That is really sore!!!
Even if they were overdue, honestly to me there is no reason to to pare or trim them extra short to sore them.
Feet shed on their own if left to their own...so the farrier "helped" a little to much, a lot to much is more like it soring both of them that badly.
OK, so one is ouchy as soon as a new trim, but the other seems like he is normally fine...not now.
That is a farrier screw up and you should call the farrier and alert him/her of it. He/she may have something to apply to lessen the sore sole and give a barrier to the sensitivity immediately effective.
I would be having a "nice" discussion with said farrier about their trimming methods now used and applied.... 
jmo...
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 11, 2015 22:21:17 GMT
She did tell me to get some venice turps, wondering if she realised after she had done it, this is the first time in over 5 years Ive had an issue, I leave them till over the weekend, if theyre not better Ill text her, shes pretty good at coming out at the drop of a hat:)
I did expect Ira to be sore as he has soft feet anyway and I knew she had to even up quite a few big chips and flare but Im very surprised about Dax, I can ride him I just have to carefully lead him down the gravel driveway, actually I have boots for him, maybe I should use them.
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Post by horselady on Jun 12, 2015 0:11:41 GMT
LD, leave him be until monday, why risk causing a problem like an abscess. ? a few days off is not going to hurt., perhaps just give a bath and groom and get the hoof treatment on him and walk him every day on the gravel just to see if he is better.
and i would still text her to let her know what you are going thru with both ira and dax.
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Post by mingiz on Jun 25, 2015 20:09:58 GMT
My farrier only cleans up the bottom of the hoof. I have to tell him to clean up the frog area and take out the dead stuff. Never have had any soreness after trims. Yours probably took to much sole off. Venice of Turpentine is good stuff.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 25, 2015 21:07:54 GMT
Mine usually just does that too, not sure what happened, hes still sore on his front right on gravel, trips on it and on looking at it that foots a bit shorter than the rest, I bought some keratex gel, couldnt find any venice turps in stock
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 28, 2015 14:03:08 GMT
LD.... How are the "kids" today? Hopefully by now the soreness and lameness is gone?  ....... |
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 28, 2015 15:46:25 GMT
Ira is OK now but Dax is still not right on his front left, on grass and tarmac you can't tell, he's raring to go but as soon as we hit gravel he's stumbling on it, first time ever for him, he could walk on glass normally, his left foot even looks a little shorter, I'll get shoes put on him next visit, normally I have by now but things have been tight, I do a lot of roadwork in summer and his feet wear down fast the rubber shoes help, thanks for asking:)
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Post by Lipizzan on Jul 7, 2015 19:32:53 GMT
I read lot about barefoot. Apparently it would solve this kind of problems.
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.....oops, double post.
that is ridiculous sounding to me.
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