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Thrush
Apr 2, 2015 16:22:10 GMT
Post by carshon on Apr 2, 2015 16:22:10 GMT
So disappointed..... my hubby is taking weekly lessons at a show barn that just started near me. The trainer moved here from AZ and from what I understand was quite successful there. She has a huge following her and even offered a saddle fit session for Naughty Steve last fall at no charge! She was very nice and very professional. She started offering lessons and hubby wanted some so - the perfect Christmas gift! He has taken a months worth of lessons on her horses and his riding posture has improved 100 fold. He asked to bring his horse and was told absolutely! We have been battling thrush with this mare for months. We were told 2 years ago that she was Navicular and she was wearing shoes and pads. Had shoes and pads pulled last Oct and her frog was gone! I mean gone! and she was 3 legged lame. Her heels were grossly under run and toes were so long. Worst case for a supposedly Navicular horse. Long story short we changed farriers to a natural hoof care farrier- we love her! The mare's hooves look great - still battling thrush with tons of different over the counter and home made remedies. Still we have thrush. Hubby took YaYa for his lesson yesterday- first time away from home this year, hasn't been ridden at all this year - she was nervous. So trainer says lets lunge her - we never having lunged her before (ever) says um we don't know if she can! So trainer starts lunging her and she knows how! So hubby takes over and his mare is SO obviously lame on the the left front he had to stop. Trainer is concerned and we start talking about all we have done etc. She picks up feet and say Yep- really bad thrush. Advises us to shoot straight bleach on the frog or soak hoof in straight bleach 15 min a day for 5 days straight and says this will get rid of it. We have avoided the bleach for thrush because have read that it kills the healthy tissue too. We have just now gotten her to where she has a frog and heel bulb on that hoof - I don't want to kill what it took us 6 months to grow! We have tried: Oxine soaks, Thrush Stop, Pete Ramey's goo, Some purple thrush powder (can't remember the name) a home made powder from our new farrier and peroxide shot into the sulcus of the frog. Trainer wants her in shoes and pads and says to put her on Previcox. I am not so sure that this is the route to go- pads are what helped the thrush get so out of hand! Mare is pasture sound and runs without a limp and trots without a head bob. The lunging did her in! Hubby wants to follow new trainers advice and I am just not sure- she is a show person at heart and believes in deadening tails, mouth closers and horses ridden with their noses tied between their knees for headset. HA friends help me please. What has worked for any of you with Chronic thrush problems. We thought we had the lameness nicked but lunging just showed us that she is not 100% Here is a pic of her hoof from this week and one from last oct (right after a trim and her shoes and pads being removed)   |
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Thrush
Apr 2, 2015 16:52:42 GMT
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Post by leli on Apr 2, 2015 16:52:42 GMT
I would think that the pads are creating a nice, warm environment for the thrush to grow in. And since thrush is common when a horse lives in wet or muddy conditions, I can see the pad potentially trapping the moisture in there as well. I don't think the shoes themselves are the problem, but I don't know why pads would be needed.
Our farrier uses a purple liquid (Thrush Buster?) on horses with thrush. And the horses get regular hoof picking/cleaning to clear out any of the mud.
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Post by lorddaxter on Apr 2, 2015 18:58:23 GMT
Big issue in UK due to damp weather so Id look there, I used hydrogen peroxide before but its like bleach, found this article though but if you look through google UK and its easy to order stuff from there I think its your best bet for something that will work:) www.thenaturalhoof.co.uk/#!hoof-infections/c13ep |
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Thrush
Apr 2, 2015 20:11:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 20:11:36 GMT
I agree, pads would likely hold moisture to the foot, which is completely counterproductive to what you want to do.
I use Coppertox for thrush, but I have also heard good things about Virkon. It is super important to keep the feet dry. Do you have a dry pen that you could put her in for a few weeks until it clears up? Tough to do this time of the year because of the mud.
Picking her feet out several times a day might also help. Make sure to sanitize your hoof picks frequently as well.
Hope it clears up soon! Keep us posted.
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Post by horselover4life on Apr 2, 2015 21:44:15 GMT
I would not use bleach on that foot...no way no how!!
Can you imagine the burn pain to that tender flesh trying to grow...
Yes, bleach will kill the bacteria which is what thrush is from. It will also though kill everything it touches.
So...I use and know others that use Thrush Buster.
Purple liquid {yes, it stains} you gently squirt into the offending hoof area. My horse {the rescue} had "0" reaction of pulling back from pain when applied. My farrier said it is what he suggests for any client....
So, the purple stain...when it lessens it is time to again reapply. You don't need it everyday application only when the deep purple turns a light violet color. It also stays on the sole even in wet conditions...
I have also heard good things about using original style of Listerine mouthwash or apple cider vinegar sprayed on that area daily.
Apple Cider Vinegar showed positive improvement results in a few days my other friend tells me about her horse who suffered from thrush. This changes the PH balance and the bacteria die once they have no host tissue to feed off of...
Banixx also has had good results but I don't know if you can get that in Canada...
Why not ask your vet if a systemic antibiotic to treat the deep thrush bacteria would help, maybe some bute to help with the pain?..
Just applying with a tapered syringe any product would help to get it deep between the bulbs not just to the surface areas...caution though cause it is going to hurt having that syringe tip pushed in that sick tissue...
I guess in certain circumstances bleach may be the way to go.
Today though there are many products that are good tissue friendly yet still destroy the tissue that is sick.
Here...some more reading material...
www.horsechannel.com/horse-health/thrush-7479.aspx
www.healthyhoof.com/articles/Thrush/ThrushRevisited.html
You knew a book would be coming along....
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Post by horselady on Apr 3, 2015 0:39:21 GMT
I agree that the pads are the problem. as for the bleach there are many people that believe in it but the open sores are not closed enough to use them. i would either dilute the bleach and spray it on. or go with thrush buster. and try to keep as dry as possible.
I think the trainer is just in a hurry to have your hubby ride with this mare. so for a while let him take his lessons on a lesson horse until the mare is better. use your gut, and when in doubt call a vet for advice over the phone.
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Thrush
Apr 3, 2015 14:24:54 GMT
Post by carshon on Apr 3, 2015 14:24:54 GMT
We have used thrush buster all winter and she still has thrush. Her feet are picked daily and her building has mats that are clean and dry. I have a call into my vet about getting Uniprim or something like that to see if the bacterial infection is systemic. This has been the most persistent case of thrush I have ever seen and we are at our wits end.
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Post by abpalis on Apr 4, 2015 20:12:52 GMT
Wow I've never seen thrush eat a frog up that bad, poor girl. I'd say maybe on the shoes but no pad that's for sure, like others said a pad is only going to hold the moisture in. Is her pasture that damp that her feet don't dry out? I wonder if something like easyboot clouds would help when she's being ridden and take pressure off the sore frog. Still baffles me that you can't get the thrush under control though, to me it looks more like an abscesss but hard to really tell from a picture.
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Post by mingiz on Apr 4, 2015 21:37:12 GMT
Pads are only good if the farrier puts silicone into the back of it to keep out the mud and wetness. If the frog is trimmed back during normal trimming it keeps them self cleaning. Otherwise it traps mud and manure in them.
Thrush is a bacterial infection and may extend into the sensitive laminae and infect the digital cushion.
You must remove the horse from mud and manure and stable in a clean dry stall. You need to remove the degenerating frog with a hoof knife. Apply a drying agent such as 10% formalin or a 7% tincture of iodine then follow with a topical antibiotic solution such as 10% sodium sulfayridine. Bandage the foot to keep it dry and prevent contamination. Treat it daily for several days then once or twice a week until frog is healed.
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Post by horselady on Apr 5, 2015 0:31:39 GMT
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Post by carshon on Apr 5, 2015 23:55:29 GMT
The pasture was wet but is pretty dry now. her run is wet but she has a 15 X 15 stall she can get into that is completely dry. That is where she is fed twice a day. We have a call into our vet to check for systemic infection. Right now we are going to try Clean Traxx - she has an appt with yet another farrier a week from Wed. We are doing all we can to help her out. I have never dealt with thrush this persistent- any reviews on Clean Traxx for thrush are appreciated. I am to the point that I think we are killing off the good frog as well as any fungus or bacteria.
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Post by mingiz on Apr 6, 2015 12:59:27 GMT
I had a horse that was a freebie. I went and looked at him and his rear hoof was nasty. Long toe and they thought he had an abscess. I went back a week later and his original hoof fell off and he had a new one that grew in. Weird I know! But I took him home and let it grow. He always had a crack in it towards the front. One day it split all the way up to the coronary band. So my farrier came in and did what he could. Got him back to healthy but the crack never closed up. We even did fiberglass patch, notching. everything. His hoof has a dish in it and his pastern on that leg was shorter than the others. So we figured something happened to him as a baby. So I got him back to healthy and rode him for 8 yrs. Then he started coming up lame. Had him x-rayed and his coffin bone had rotated. So we put a bar shoe on him. But the crack was still there and getting worst. I was to the point that I was going to put him down. I found a farrier 3 hrs from me and took him there. He looked at him and said he had a fungal infection in the hoof. So he literally cut half of the hoof away and gave me a tiny bottle of meds to put on it every day. So every day for 3 months. I would clean the foot, put the meds in the frog area and pack it with cotton balls, place a piece of 4x4 to pad it, I made a pad of leather to give him cushion, and then wrapped it with vet wrap and then I used duck tape over that. I had to keep it dry. It was a long process but it worked. I still lost him as a trail horse but the could walk. I ended up giving him to a 7yro girl who plodded around on him. I have pics some where I'll have to try and find them. This was the best horse I had ever owned. Last time I heard avout him he was 28.
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Thrush
Apr 6, 2015 15:14:41 GMT
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 6, 2015 15:14:41 GMT
What a great story mingiz. And sounds like an amazing horse also. I love the fact that many people would give up and put the horse down. But you haven't and now he will live a life he deserves with a litte girl.
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Post by carshon on Apr 6, 2015 15:17:24 GMT
Thanks Mingiz- it gives me hope. This mare is so sweet. She is running around in the pasture and even bucks and carries on. She was diagnosed (with X-rays) as Navicular 2 years ago and has been on bute and wearing shoes and pads part of the summer and hoof boots when not in shoes. This last fall when we took off those shoes and pads (after being shod for 7 weeks) her thrush was so bad she had no frog! Just got off the phone with my vet who knows my horses almost as well as I do -and we are going to start her on an anitbiotic treatment for the thrush. There is a fairly new antibiotic he is putting her on (not sure of the name) - via injection every 4 days as well as treating the thrush topically with Pennicillin. We are also switching her from Bute for the Navicular to Previcoxx- he is hoping the increased blood flow to those hooves will help get rid of the thrush. We are giving it ten days and if no improvement we will take cultures to send for further testing.
This mare means the world to my hubby and we are committed to her and getting her healthy. Her feet are picked and cleaned twice a day and have had almost daily thrush treatment since October (we take breaks of a few days in between the various items we have tried)
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Post by mistersmom on Apr 6, 2015 15:28:29 GMT
Sounds like you are doing everything you can for your mare carshon - good for you! I'm sure you will get her well soon.
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Thrush
Apr 7, 2015 0:40:30 GMT
Post by abpalis on Apr 7, 2015 0:40:30 GMT
Hoping for the best. There's hope at least
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Thrush
Apr 18, 2015 21:07:16 GMT
Post by nhg on Apr 18, 2015 21:07:16 GMT
I hope it works! Feet issues can be so difficult to treat. Good luck!!!
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Apr 18, 2015 22:32:36 GMT
Post by hugs on Apr 18, 2015 22:32:36 GMT
Carshon, any news?
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Post by carshon on Apr 20, 2015 13:58:42 GMT
Thanks for asking. I truly think we have beat the thrush!!!! 2 shots of Excede - no issues with soreness from the shot or side effects from the shot. Pennicillin applied directly to the thrush. We have the horses out yesterday the cracks in her frogs are filling in and there is no distinctive smell. We had started her on Prevocox as well. She got wise to the pill in her morning feed pretty darn fast - so we had to get creative in order to get it in her.
Her feet seem to have grown really really fast since the Excede and Prevocox. Her heels are slightly underrun again but the farrier comes out this week. She is ripping around the pasture snaking her head and bucking.
My vet actually asked for an update after the shots etc - and told me that Excede is used in Cattle for foot rot and is known for opening up the blood vessels in the feet - and Provocox is know for that as well so he was happy to hear that her feet seem to be growing quickly.
It rained here and is muddy again but we are on top of thrush and will continue to do maintenance care.
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Post by Lipizzan on Apr 20, 2015 14:33:34 GMT
Have you tried blue vitriol?
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