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Post by lorddaxter on Jan 14, 2015 19:13:46 GMT
youtu.be/rH-l04ae-agThis his clip is from a different trainer, I do wish I'd sent Isis to her too but by he time he was ready she had moved away and was not training anymore. See if you can guess how long she had been training ira from this clip, any opinions or questions welcome:)
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 14, 2015 19:52:21 GMT
I am about to show my total lack of knowledge I am sure, but oh well. I don't think she has had Ira very long, but he appeared to be used to the saddle, so I think depending on what he had already been exposed to before, she has probably been working with him for at least a week.
He seemed a little confused by what she was doing, maybe a little nervous, but not panicked. He really didn't like things going on, on both sides of himself, so I think she might have rushed getting astride, a little bit, to be safe, but she must have trusted Ira to be sensible about all the strange activity.
The only thing I might have done different, that is if I could actually do that sort of thing is, I don't think I would have asked him to move forward, but rather mounted and dismounted, until he was comfortable with that, and didn't feel the need to move, than asked for movement.
All in all I like her. She was nice, and didn't do anything to make Ira afraid of her. She let him work through things, and didn't try to force him. I think she would train a much safer horse.
I didn't mean she was confusing him, I just think he was a bit confused, and surprised she stepped up in the stirrup. More like he was wondering what she was up to, and wasn't exactly sure what he should think about person hanging off his side.
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Post by carshon on Jan 14, 2015 19:52:41 GMT
Is this your horse? In just those few minutes I have to say that I was impressed with the trainer. Calm Confidence is what I saw and I am sure that Ira felt it. I am guessing that was her 5th ride.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jan 14, 2015 20:05:13 GMT
Yes, this is Ira, Isis half brother:)
She had had him a week, he was just about halter broke when she took him for training, she spent a week on groundwork as he is very in your space, said he bucked like crazy the first time saddled which she let him do then after that she lunges them only and they are not allowed to buck.
This was his second ride only, she had him so soft in the face, she only rode in a halter then a snaffle the last 2 weeks, he was there not even 6 weeks, broke good and quiet enough for me to ride out at home and it cost me less than half what the Isis mess trainer cost me.
She had only been training a few months but had travelled to the USA and trained with lots of good trainers I've heard you lot mention, pity she stopped:(
She was one of e calmest, understanding, softest handed trainer I've ever met
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Post by horselover4life on Jan 14, 2015 23:47:06 GMT
Watched 2 minutes worth....again not reading anyone else's first but going by gut feeling...no sound turned up yet either!!
I saw enough.....
Gut feeling less than a week and not on him {astride} if at all.
She is doing all the basics and watching his reaction timing and how reactive he is to things going bump....after that part I shut it off.
She is quiet in her approach, gave him a chance to do it right and did not scare the crud out of him by being abusive to his space and sense of balance...
He didn't look to me that he was trying to bolt or run away, but figure out what she wanted...he never took his eye or ear off of her and what she was up to on him... he kept a bend, soft not resistant to her and his feet moving but quietly and balanced...
Very different approach....much more gentle and not "grand-stand" styling to get it done in a week but by building on each experience.
She made him bend and move one direction then the other...then had him bend and move as she bounced weight to the stirrup, then laid across his back and bumped his side with stirrup and held on for the coming explosion she expected...
Didn't need to see much more to form a basic opinion......
Think you would of had a different horse if she had her method of education first, not having to fix and work the others harshness and fright away...
Now I am going to go watch the entire thing and read others opinions to see how off I am...
OK...
I read your comments....was she ever able to work with your other "Isis" at all???
Approach, kindness and letting the horse figure it out....novel idea that works.
I don't know that I would have wanted to have that horse stand still and try to mount....he is very agile doing what I saw. I can imagine he has a nasty buck and pitch to him....ouch when you fly through the air with ease till you land!!
With how reactive and flinchy he was in that 2 minute clip I saw I would of been real nervous of explosion where that motion and bending kept him slightly off-balance the faster and harder he moved himself...he picked the pace not the trainer.
So who is she???
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Post by Terry on Jan 15, 2015 1:01:01 GMT
I really, really like this trainer! It appears that she did a very nice job with Ira, and she did things the right way - slowly, calmly, gently. It's too bad Isis didn't get to train with her. She reminds me a lot of the young girl I hired to get Zena rebroke to ride - really good with horses, and really skilled at training them calmly and correctly without fear. What a shame that this trainer stopped training. She certainly seems to be a talented horse trainer.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jan 15, 2015 1:53:51 GMT
Thanks all, no she never got to work with Isis:(
Ira has never put a foot wrong with me since he came bavk from this young trainer but has bucked a few other people off, not sure why, I'd get on him the next day and nothing, perfect gent, I can mount him no reins he just stands:)
She taught me that when he gets tense about anything if you start circling and crossing his hind legs then he relaxes, you can see in the clip even at that early stage she just let's him circle and circle then he slowly calms and walks off, she said it gets their minds off what's bugging them as they are thinking about their feet, works good:)
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Post by mistersmom on Jan 15, 2015 13:35:07 GMT
She's nice. I like her a lot. I'm not sure I would have backed him so quickly but I wasn't there. I'm sure she wouldn't have gotten on if she didn't feel it was the right time. But all in all, I think she has a great way of going about things.
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Post by Lipizzan on Jan 15, 2015 14:02:13 GMT
I like her. She is radiating with positive energy. Only thing I would do differently is that I would not ask him to move his feet while mounting.
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Post by horselady on Jan 15, 2015 16:00:17 GMT
Looks to me like she knows what she is doing. keeping those hind leggs crossing and he is thinking about that and not bucking. she intentionally asked him to circle even when she was mounting him so having him stand still at that point was not what she wanted. she wanted him to start crossing his legs so he will already be off balance and could not take off. cause once they get the nose down and those front feet digging in there her no stopping him My impression is all trainers should look at the videos and learn something. quiet. easy and one step at a time. always.  |
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jan 15, 2015 16:21:15 GMT
I did not know that was hers intention.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jan 15, 2015 16:41:38 GMT
Yes HL, that's it exactly, she lets them buck only the first time they are saddled, after that no more 'fun', they are saddled and lunged and if they try anything she pulls them on their nose, I don't get it when people loose school their horses and allow high jinks, kinda defeats the purpose?!
Not sure about the backing after a week, is that fast?.....I only broke one horse and I just got on him and rode him out with mother in law leading, I didn't lunge him or anything but he was 4 years old, Ira was only 2.5 in this clip
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Post by Shelly on Jan 15, 2015 22:48:31 GMT
She looks good overall. I just didn't like one part where Ira stopped while she was half on and she made him move again. In my mind I feel as that's a bit counter intuitive just because in the long run you want your horse to stand still for mounting and that's the "end" result we want. I remember a discussion on here not too long ago and it was something like make the bad hard and good easy. At that point he was being "good" but it was still made hard for Ira. Overall he seems good just pinpointing a bit  As for backing up after a week, every horse is different. I know with Sheldon I had him backing up under saddle after the second ride. I did ton's of ground with him and thought him to back up by putting a light pressure/tapping on his chest and when I was under saddle all I had to do was do light taps with my crop and he understood right away. |
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Post by horselady on Jan 16, 2015 1:29:55 GMT
I totally agree with you shelly, BUT she was encouraging him to move so he would react, good or bad. than she would correct. moving him when she was half on and he stopped. was not what SHE wanted SHE wanted him to keep those feet (hind) crossing over one another until she was satisfied. and not until than.
he responded well on the one way and the other he was a little stiff so she did not pursue it for a longer period of time. going to the left was easier for him. and to the right was difficult. .
We have trained and usually had a saddle on them within an hour of their second week. the first week is working with the lunge line and long lining and than using double lines.
i also teach to side pass. back. and two track or shoulder in and out from the ground. so all that is not new to them when a person is asking them from the saddle.
also putting weight on the saddle. either bags filled with corn or gravel. let them buck on the lunge line and only a few strides than they are told no that is not what i want. usually after a session of that. the next session is so much smoother and the horse is ready for a rider .
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Post by hugs on Jan 16, 2015 3:32:02 GMT
When I read what you folks wrote about making him move his back feet in a circle to keep his attention then it made perfect sense. Even then I would get off and reward him when he stood still and then get back on and if he needed it circle him again until he calmed enough to stand still. But I so like her manner, Stephanie at BMW and Andrea at Boulder Pointe are the exact same way, never ruffled and an "its all good" approach.
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