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Post by horselover4life on Jan 13, 2015 18:34:09 GMT
I fed beet pulp eons ago before it ever became "popular" and the "thing to do".....
Back then, {ok dating myself}...more than 20+ years ago... beet pulp put weight on..YES, belly weight and lousy horrible top-line! It did not last but 1 month in my barn I was in charge of...hated the look of "my" horses...
Today it is "improved" and processed differently, it must be.
It was a cattle fattener fed to the herd before it went to market for added weight gain in a short period of time. What they have done to it....IDK, but for it to do what it does now for horses... a chemically changed profile...who knows!
Do some serious research before making any more additions if you are now going to go with a different commercial mixed feed.... you might not truly need it, the mess or prep involved using it if fed in shreds or pellets that need soaking...
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 17, 2015 1:53:46 GMT
Stormy was still not acting quite right. I could see he was having a problem with his chewing. I had his teeth checked this fall and was told they were all right, but something was wrong, so I made a vet appointment. I had to really hurry after work to get him there on time, so we didn't have any time to work out the sillies. She examined his mouth, and agreed he had a problem on the left side, but said his teeth also needed to be floated.
She gave him the tranquilizer and he dropped like a stone. He could hardly stand, and her helper and I had to hold him up. She got his teeth done and gave him an antibiotic shot, and left me holding him while he revived. After 3 hours he was still out of it, but was able to walk, with out falling over.
She suddenly took off, and returned about an hour later. Her baby daughter was sick and had to be emergency transported to Wichita.
It was getting late, and cold, so I got my daughter to help me get Stormy home. He did ok with the trailer ride home. We went very slow and Clara followed close behind in her car to keep an eye on him. He is still really really sleepy. He can walk and he ate a little bit, but he is still really out of it. I double chained the gate so he is by himself, and will stay that way. I have been checking him every few minutes.
He has never been this groggy, after a float before. He is really out of it, and my vet is 130 miles away with a sick baby.
 Please for all concerned.
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Post by horselady on Jan 17, 2015 2:24:42 GMT
I have a feeling she over tranqed him. and perhaps there should be a second vet on call /? he should be not this sleepy. and do not give any food other than him having some soft mush. and water.
i do hope he perks up soon.
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Post by horseless on Jan 17, 2015 3:08:03 GMT
I was thinking the same thing as horselady, sounds like she over did it for sure. I would be concerned also, I would definitely call the vet, if not her then someone else. I hope he pulls out of this soon.
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 17, 2015 3:10:34 GMT
There is no on call vet. She ran crying from the building on her way to Wichita. I am not sure how sick her daughter is. From what I understand she has a UTI. I do know from experience it can get severe quickly with babies. My daughter had a temp of 105.6 with a UTI as an infant. Surgery fixed her plumbing problem, and she hasn't had any more trouble. I am sure the Vets little girl will be ok too, it is just scary when you are living through it.
At last check Stormy was shivering. It isn't cold. The temp is 46 degrees, but windy. I don't have an actual blanket, but whipped a sort of blanket up really quick. Didn't have enough Velcro, but he isn't really active right now, so I think it will stay. I think the shivers are more a reaction to the over medication.
I gave him warm mash, and he ate some of it, and took a big drink. He is a little more awake, but still worrisome.
Thank you for responding so quickly HL. I do love him so much. 
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 17, 2015 4:00:24 GMT
He is shivering less with the blanket, his penis has finally gone back up, and he is holding his head higher. He also seems to be more alert, but still far from fine. I so wish I could bring him in the house, but that wouldn't be a good idea.
Here is a picture of my beautiful boy. 
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Post by Shelly on Jan 17, 2015 4:07:37 GMT
Ya it sounds like the meds are slowly leaving his system. He should be ok but sometimes these things take time. Be careful not to over feed him because if he isn't very alert then his body/organs are probably moving slower as well. When we would recover horses at the equine hospital, we would wait until the horses had their first poop after surgery then slowly started feeding them handfuls of hay, to half a flake and brought their feed back to normal over a day or two. Gives their body time to "wake up" a bit more and start moving again. But at the same time they went under for surgery and where intubated/ect. With stormy you should be able to get him back to normal a little faster. Otherwise constant checks and even taking his temp if you can would probably be the most helpful. If he starts a fever you'll definitely want to call a vet out again. Poor boy, he has not been having an easy time at all lately  |
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Post by mingiz on Jan 17, 2015 4:14:07 GMT
So sorry that Stormy isn't better. Yes it sounds like the vet used to much tranq with him. Shivering isn't good. Keep him warm and keep checking him. Hopefully he is coming out of it since he is putting things back in place and seems more alert. But when your vet gets back after her emergency I would have to say something to her about it. Another thing tell her if she is going to float teeth to get a stand to put their head on. Holding horse heads isn't easy they get very heavy after awhile. Hope he comes around soon...  |
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Post by Terry on Jan 17, 2015 5:16:21 GMT
Poor Stormy! It definitely sounds like she used way too much tranq on him. It shouldn't be taking him this long to come out of the sedation. The shivering bothers me, too. I hope he pulls out of this quickly. Please keep us posted. |
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 17, 2015 5:32:01 GMT
Stormy is getting more cranky, and I listened to his bowel sounds. They are still a little sluggish, but starting to get better. I can't find my horse thermometer, but he isn't sweating as much any more. He is pretty unhappy that he isn't with the other horses, but I am glad he has the get up and go, to let me know he is unhappy.
I really think she over tranquilized him. It shouldn't take 10 hours to get back to, well not normal, but more like himself. I will certainly let her know about this, once her baby is all better.
It is probably mostly my fault. I really don't work with Stormy, but more, just let him play. I do spend a lot of time with him, but I don't correct his high spirited behavior like I should.
He had a rotten deal in life, and had to be rescued three times by the time he was only 6 years old. I was the last, and I swore to him, this would be his last, and forever home. He bites, and can't be ridden, and no one else wants him. Well I don't care. He is my  horse.
He was really being a butt, when she tried to examine him, and kept trying to run over the top of her. He is really high spirited, and loves to prance around. You just have to get to know him. He is really a sweet boy, he is just really active.
The vet just wanted to calm him down, but she usually works with big butted Quarter horses, who out weigh him by several hundred pounds. That's the trouble around here. There just aren't any Arabs, so no one really knows how to deal with one.
I will keep checking on him every little bit for a few more hours, then try to get a little sleep. I want to thank you guys for being there for me when I needed you. I try to be brave, and face problems on my own, but I am not really a brave person. There are just to many things I don't know.
Anyway. Thank you, for being my friends, Thankyouand putting up with my lack of knowledge.
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 17, 2015 6:38:17 GMT
Stormy seems to be doing better, and has no idea why he has to be separated from his friends. It isn't supposed to be to cold tonight, so I didn't put his blanket back on. (He had it mostly removed, by himself) I will go out and check on him when I get up during t he night, but for the most part, I think he is out from under the effects of the tranquilizer. He has plenty of water and a small amount of hay for the night, and He will get his hot mash first thing in the morning.  |
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Post by horselady on Jan 17, 2015 12:26:00 GMT
Just by looking at his photo i knew he was arab. and knowing that. it explains his behavior topped off with being mis used and abused. they do not like to be told anything. as for the teeth perhaps just give him some whole corn to chew on to take the rough edges off naturally. and they do not like to be fussed with. i autta know. my husbands arab mare is 35 and still will not allow me to put cream on her wounds if she gets them. he will be ok. and perhaps gets a blanket or two just in case. love him and his color i love the arabs  |
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Post by horseless on Jan 17, 2015 12:27:22 GMT
Glad to hear that stormy is doing better!
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Post by lorddaxter on Jan 17, 2015 13:56:07 GMT
Sorry I missed all this, my internet was funky last night and this morning again.
Next time if there's a next time please don't let him have food, they can choke on it, plus there is an antidote that can bring them out of sedation faster, my horse dentist who is a vet who specializes in teeth uses this, they recover much quicker, maybe again if there's a next time mention to vet if she can use this?
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 17, 2015 14:47:16 GMT
Stormy did ok through the night. He had a few temper tantrums because I wouldn't let him out with the other horses, but other than that he was a lot more like himself. I think the sweating and shivering was still an after effect from being over medicated. Once he stopped sweating, he stopped shivering too.
I finally let him back out with the other guys at 7:30 this morning. The little stinker chased them both, and they played for a bit.
Stormy has been sedated before, but never like this. I think the vet was a little afraid of him, and wanted him out good. Next time, I will have her come out here. That way he will be calmer and I will be sure to tell her not to use as much.
I don't know if she has medication to reverse the effects or not. She simply ran off crying, so she really didn't get a chance to re check him.
I am angry about this, but I also understand. She is the one who is always working, while her husband is caring for the kids. I have met him. He is a nice enough guy, but I wouldn't trust him with anything serious. I know what it is like to find a child with a high temp, and a husband who is supposed to be caring for the child, but had no idea the child was even sick. It is so frustrating, and makes you want to scream. Which she did.
I need to look into the stand to hold up their heads. There is no reason I can't build a safe teeth floating stand here. Maybe. Then I would just have her come here and do all of them at the same time. |
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Post by horselady on Jan 17, 2015 15:38:37 GMT
I would tell her anyway. just to make sure she has it on her notes or his file. yes her child was sick and she ran off.BUT what if something happened to Stormy?  ? he is your child too. if she is all that afraid of Stormy than she could have told you and put off the vet appointment for when the time was more calmer. and yes have the vet come to you and i would not fuss with his teeth too much. most arabs have a tougher constitution than most horses. My husbands mare??? we have her from the time she was 7 and two years ago was the first time we had her teeth done and 5 were pulled. only because 3 were coming out and the other two were going to be hitting her gums. that is it. never before has a vet looked in her mouth. i have a feeling that either too much or she gave the incorrect combination of drugs. and she should have given the anti before leaving. but again her baby was sick |
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Post by mistersmom on Jan 17, 2015 17:01:18 GMT
How scary for you. I'm so glad to hear Stormy is feeling better.
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 18, 2015 5:09:37 GMT
I think a big part of Stormys problem was an abscess. One side of his jaw, back where his back teeth are, was swollen, and I could also feel swollen lymph glands on either side on his throat latch. When I felt the swollen glands, I called the vet, and insisted he be seen NOW. I imagine he got kicked, and that started part of the problem. The side of his face is actually more swollen today, but he is on an antibiotic for the infection. I still feel bad. I let her talk me out of taking him in the day before, and when I insisted he be seen, she had other things going on too.
I do also think he did have a mild case of colic. He did have those half poops, a few days before, and that was after the sudden feed change.
It just sucks that sometimes we learn at the expense of our animals comfort.
The good thing is Stormy is acting much more like himself today. His mouth is still very sore though. I have watched him pull out one strand of hay at a time, to eat, and my heart just breaks for him. Then I remember, a lot of horses get their hay is slow feeder hay bags, and can't eat much different than he is eating now. I just feel bad, because he is eating that way due to pain. If he doesn't start eating better in a few days I will call the vet again. I thought I would give her the weekend to care for her daughter.
I want to thank you again for replying to my frantic questions. I have never actually been present when my horses have had their teeth floated. I have always had a family crisis that kept me away, and so by the time I got to see them, it was all said, and done, and over with. All I can say is this was horrible, and I am sincerely hoping this is not the norm. This was awful, and I really hope it will get better from here. All I know is the next time it will be done here. The old vet insists the horses be brought to the clinic, but the one who worked on Stormy will come to the farm. Does anyone have any suggestions on what it takes, to make this whole procedure more comfortable on both horse, and owner? All I know is I don't want a repeat of this time.
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Post by horselady on Jan 18, 2015 12:25:52 GMT
The comfort of the horse and how it is handled in the experience of the vet. when i have mine done the vet is calm. does one thing at a time. even when my arabian stallion needed power floating because he teeth were so bad. she did him in 5 minutes. no talking and just did it. sure he was dopey and he had anit tranq medication to bring him out of it and i held his head. so there is no set way as to what is right or wrong. just experience and no trauma on either part.
she sounds young and did not want to get hurt and it bottomed out from there. i would just keep an eye out for someone who is just a dentist. sure it will be more but it will be worth it in the long run.
also for stormy's sorness. are you washing out his mouth with anything? i hate to suggest this but if the swelling does not go down soon perhaps a part of the tooth or chip is still in his jaw. Can you take a photo of his face for us to see. ? a float is not going to remove a chip. unless she got in there with plyers to remove the tooth but again could be possible.
give him some soft foods to make up for the calories.
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Post by diamondgirl on Jan 18, 2015 16:00:10 GMT
I do give all of them their warm mash, which is half their pelleted, in place of grain supplement, and a gallon of chopped alfalfa, soaked in warm water. They all get that twice a day, in the morning and at sunset. Could I add another feeding for Stormy? That would mean he would be getting more than the feed bag recommends for a non working horse, but it might not really matter, and only fill the void that is left, because he can't eat as much hay right now. It also wouldn't, be much of a diet change, because it is something he has already been getting, just half again more.
I could also get some hay cubes, and try soaking them. I haven't ever bought them before, and don't know how they soak, but I could try to add some slowly if you think that would be better.
I have been adding a grated carrot to Stormys hot feed. I sometimes toss it in as a treat for special occasions, but I just want to do something to help Stormy feel better, so I have been giving him one in his evening feeding. He loves the carrot, and will steal everyone else's if he has the chance. |
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horse.
? he is your child too.