mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Dec 24, 2014 1:46:18 GMT
She was laying down in the field. Didn't pay to much attention to her as when I yelled her name she raised up her head and looked. Rawhide was next to her doing the same. Then when Tony went out to feed she was still laying out in the same place. I got her up and she was drawn up some and she would do the lip flip thing. So I took her and tied her up. Watched her and she was showing discomfort. So I gave her some banamine, then walked her some. She tried to lay down a few times. So I called Short who was in town and told her to get me some Fleet. So she got home I put 2 bottles up her butt and we walked her and then we stopped and her gut make some loud sounds. She finally passed gas and a few turds. So I put her in the trailer for a little while to see if anymore poop came out. She did and she was feeling better. So I put her back out with the herd. She is laying down again but in an up position so . we will check on her until I go to bed. She seemed better when we put her out there so I'm hoping things will pass I fnot she will spend the night in the trailer. I wish I had a stall to put her in...May do another treatment of she stays down...
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Dec 24, 2014 3:25:50 GMT
Poor girl, I hope she's ok. This weird weather has been tough on them. Please keep us posted.
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Post by horselover4life on Dec 24, 2014 12:03:00 GMT
Hope Sugar is better this morning.....
If not, since she is in the trailer...they say a trailer ride many times cures what ails them?
Might be worth a try before needing the vet to come calling..
Let us know Ming how all the horses are doing this morn.....what gets one sometimes gets many at one time.
884530.......
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Post by horselady on Dec 24, 2014 12:29:46 GMT
Hope she is better this morning. hate colic.
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Dec 24, 2014 12:46:36 GMT
I checked her last night before I went to bed and she seemed fine. I haven't seen her this morning. I have a spot light I use and her and JR were out of sight. So will look again when it's day light. It's snowing here!BUt we aren't suppose to get much if any. Just more mud.
Sugar is good to go this morning!!!! 
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Post by carshon on Dec 24, 2014 19:36:00 GMT
So sorry to hear about Sugar's tummy troubles. I agree the weird weather affects them in some not so great ways sometimes. Glad to hear she is feeling better and she and JR are off together.
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hugs
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Post by hugs on Dec 25, 2014 12:10:12 GMT
Oh Mingie, I'm sorry I missed this before but of course I am SO glad Sugar got right again. I never heard that weather can make a horse colic, any particular weather or changes in weather? And I also never heard about putting them in a trailer, that's really a good tip, thank you, sorry I had to learn about it this way.
Stay better Sugar!
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 25, 2014 13:41:56 GMT
It can be because she changed home and food , horses are very sensitive about their diet. Be careful!
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Dec 25, 2014 16:52:28 GMT
It can be because she changed home and food , horses are very sensitive about their diet. Be careful! Lip she has been here for 3 weeks. She had seemed to settle right in and I gradually changed her feed. Who knows why she colicked. Might have been a bad bit of hay she grabbed might have been the weather. The weather here has been weird. The chance you take with round bales. But she is fine now and that's what counts!!! 
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Post by diamondgirl on Dec 25, 2014 17:28:35 GMT
A year or so ago I read on the other place that a temperature drop of 30 degrees or so could cause horses to colic. I asked there, what I could do to help my horses deal with the extreme temperature changes. Several people suggested to soak their feed, so that is what I have been doing. They each get 2 and a half gallons of extra water a day.
Colic is one of my biggest fears. I am afraid I won't notice the signs. I am afraid of having to deal with it by myself. What if I have to take one of the horses to the vet. How am I going to keep the horse standing while I hook up the trailer.
If it isn't enough of a worry, that they seem to be able to hurt themselves on air, we have to worry about colic too.  Good grief.
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Dec 25, 2014 18:23:06 GMT
Damn I had a whole book typed and as usual I forget to create... >:(Let me try again DG If you know your horses they will tell you when they feel bad. They show signs. They will stand around with head hung down. Lay down longer than usual. Or even roll more than usual. They will lose the gleam in their eyes, refuse to eat/drink.They will also look drawn up in the flank area. Like a fat horse that just got a waist line. Sugar was laying down flat out. At first we ignored it because we thought she was sun bathing. Since it had came out for a change. Rawhide was also laying down. But when it came to feeding time she didn't get up. So I got her up and every time she had a pain. She would flip her lip up or raise her hind leg to her belly. I keep banamine in paste form handy. I also keep the Fleet enema laxative on hand. The first thing I did with her was put my ear to her side and listened for gut sounds. I heard none. To me that is usually a sign of impaction and nothing is moving. So that is when I gave her 2 bottles of the fleet. And I also gave her a bottle orally. Within an hour she had a gut sound but nothing was coming out. We walked her and she did fart and poop a tad but not enough. So I put her in the stock trailer to confine her as I don't have stalls yet. We kept he in the trailer for about an hour and she did poop and was acting like herself. So I put her back in the field and kept an eye on her. She was fine. If I had the long gloves that vets use for palpation I would have been up her butt feeling for an impaction. If she hadn't improved I would have called the vet. But in my years I have dealt with enough standard colics that I did what the vet would have done. I think the Fleet treatment works better than the oil. I save a mini and a stallion I use to take care of with it. The owner was putting him down. The mini we took to the vet and he put a ton of oil in him and nothing. So I thought when I had to drink that crap for a colon test it cleaned me out why not him. We tried it and with in a few hrs the mini was popping out biscuits. When I did it for the stud the vet was on the way to put him down. I must say he couldn't by the time he got there. Gave me a kudos for what I did. |
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Post by diamondgirl on Dec 25, 2014 19:15:20 GMT
I remember reading about what you did for that Mini before. Thank goodness you were there for him.
I just want to make sure on this, You give them one of the fleets enemae orally? I do have a pretty strong stomach, but I am thinking Ewwww! Gag!
I mean, I will do what ever is necessary for my darlings, but I just want to make sure that I have a good understanding, of this. |
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Post by hugs on Dec 25, 2014 19:53:23 GMT
There are now two of us waiting to hear if what you meant was an oral enema?
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Dec 25, 2014 20:20:54 GMT
Well the Fleet I got was the rectal type but for minis and horses it works both ways. With the mini we gave him 2 in each end and with the stud he got 2 orally and 4 in the rear..
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hugs
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Post by hugs on Dec 25, 2014 20:47:09 GMT
Glad I'm not a horse. The first time I had first hand experience with one of those was when I went into the hospital for my first son. I was so embarrassed.
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Post by diamondgirl on Dec 26, 2014 2:21:54 GMT
I am just thinking about how at face level that part of a horses anatomy is. Now if something breaks loose during the administration of the enema, you could be the recipient of a rather noxious facial.  Oh well, if it works. I can see I need to run to the store and buy a few more fleets.
I do have one more question. You said you gave Banamine. I know other times it has been said not to give banamine so you don't mask the symptoms. I am guessing, in this case, that giving a pain reliever, will relax the horse, so it can go? And is banamine the best? I don't have any. Do I need to get it from my vet, or can I get it at the farm store? |
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Post by hugs on Dec 26, 2014 2:25:16 GMT
Yeah, what Diamond said, except I think I know enough to stand to the side a little  |
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Post by diamondgirl on Dec 26, 2014 2:57:47 GMT
Yeah, what Diamond said, except I think I know enough to stand to the side a little good idea. Stand to the side.  |
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Post by horselover4life on Dec 26, 2014 12:02:55 GMT
I am just thinking about how at face level that part of a horses anatomy is. Now if something breaks loose during the administration of the enema, you could be the recipient of a rather noxious facial. Oh well, if it works.
Now diamond....It is only wet hay  that shoots forth in your direction!! 
If you are administering fleets, the chances of you being caught in "the line of fire" as you hit the plunger is pretty slim....now would I stand directly behind my horse a 1/2 hour later  ....now that would be asking for a "bath".
Actually, I think Ming would agree....
As for Banamine.... it is not a pain reducer.
It is a anti-inflammatory by drug description.
However, reducing the inflammation of the cells also quiets the nerve cells that send the "PAIN" message to the body.
Here is a article that I was sent by a friend who had concerns and wanted to know if what is written is truth....
I found it a good, easy to understand article written by a equine vet and it tells it like it is...
Those with a "colic episode" happening need to understand the risks you take by not calling the vet.
You also need to have enough knowledge of your own to know when to make that 911 call and when you can work it yourself. There is a fine line between  and I can do this.
In Mings case, she is a very experienced horsewoman with many episodes in the past she knows the signs of, caught early and did what the vet would do... She also though knows when to make that call of ""..... if it is beyond her realm and needs some serious intervention and help.
Here is that article from my archives I have of such reading....thalequine.com/bute-and-banamine-what-horse-owners-should-know/The article also briefly discusses Bute, and the administration choices of either drug, both pro and cons of each and what to look for again while using these drugs...
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Dec 26, 2014 13:14:27 GMT
I don't know if it is a right thing to do. But when I see one of my horses have tummy issue's, I launge or walk them until their stomach starts to work again. If it is more serious , that horse is not reacting on walking and launging then I call the vet, and use drugs only if horse can't wait for vet to be here in time. So far , making horse run and walk have always worked for me. And my horses in 90 % of time feel better without drugs.
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Good grief.
Oh well, if it works. I can see I need to run to the store and buy a few more fleets.
that shoots forth in your direction!! 
....now that would be asking for a "bath".
and I can do this.