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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 2, 2014 23:37:11 GMT
So I seem to have a pattern developing, all my horses have issues behaving when tied.
Both Ira and Isis were un handled when I got them, Dax was greenbroke to harness.
Ira went for training first as he was more mature, trainer spent a lot of time on groundwork and he was awesome when he came back so I know its me and prob lack of work and consistency, she said he dug her a grave when she first left him tied.
Ira now doesn't seem to dig but no kidding he has a knack of getting himself loose.
Isis, he went for training and to be honest I don't know what happened at first trainers but I'm sure they stalled him and he tried to jump out as he had injuries to his chest amongst others that looked like thats what happened plus they always use cross ties.
Dax, I don't know his full story as he was already 5 with early navicular when I got him but he always goes goggle eyed and lifts his head and moves back at the slightest thing he's unsure of, I can trust him to stay where he is, I've tied him to trees before and left him while dealing with customers and I know he wont do anything, it's just when I'm working with him, I talk to him to tell him what I'm doing but today she I was bathing him he was being such an idiot swinging from side to side, I don't have cross ties.
Are cross ties the best solution?....I have one area I could prob put cross ties up, is this a good way to teach them to stand tied?
I know a trainer round the corner uses some sort of high up pulley system, anyone explain? .....not sure how I could do this.
I dread the day I have to tie Isis or Ira up somewhere in an emergency, I dont think I could, I just don't trust them, I do need to try to fix this though so any advice appreciated:)
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 3, 2014 11:12:44 GMT
I don't know if this would work or help you...
When I worked for the reining trainer most new horses arrived and wouldn't stand still, in cross-ties or single tie. We didn't cross-tie, period.
So in every stall in a corner was put HIGH a screw eye. Horse was haltered and a trailer tie {elastic} was attached. Each horse would be "tied" as preparations for their days ride was being done... and after their bath they stood tied while drying.
Some fussed, dug or complained that first day or two..they suddenly realized though it got them no where fast and they would remain tied till we were ready to release them...sounds cruel, it was not. They stood with their head at a normal level but unable to get their hoof caught in the rope.
They were never left alone in the barn {once 1 horse was tied someone was always in the barn with them just in case}
The horses learned to be patient and they learned to stand quietly where ever they were put...there were times we went to a show and they had to be tied to the trailer for hours...all did it successfully without issue.
When tied as we did, if they broke loose, they were in a stall so safe... they learned not to pull back as it got them no where but still tied and tired. When we first started to tie them they were all on a thick bungee cord like cable/rope..it moved as they moved but also recoiled and pulled them back to where they started from...it was a baby-sitter of sorts teaching them..we had 33 head of horses in training that needed daily work...3 workers, so you had to figure something out to get it done efficiently and safely.
The horses also wore nylon halters so they learned if they pulled they were NOT rewarded with escape...hence why we never left them alone tied.
Once we knew they tied safely, they could of been tied with a piece of yarn and stood like that for hours...
We would also when weather was nice, tie our horses outside once we knew they were steady on their ties. It was a matter actually of conditioning them to accept something, truly no different than teaching them to accept us astride and do our bidding when we ride.
Yes, we make our own issues by just being us, nit-picking and worrying about what if, what now....I am one of the worst at this. You have read my posts...and I know better!!
You need a tough skin when trying to change a routine and allowances of what your horses can get away with and what not. And you need to safely demand they do something and then let them figure it out. They are smart animals and will not fight themself...
Your horses have your weak spot known about and push those buttons...and we allow it and then suddenly realize when it catches our attention of "what have we {is me or I!} allowed to happen"...again, sounds just like me too.
So...after the novel above....
Do you have a barn? Stalls? or a safe place they can be left to work out their impatience and attitude that you can see them, be in close proximity and step in if need be but allow them to figure it out too?
Once you have it being fixed and successfully completed it is also something you need to fix in your daily handling of them and your expectations...that "human" change I think is harder than the horse change...especially to not fall back into our own bad habits.
I would offer a "hugs" symbol but turned them off the emoticons as to many broke through this all over the place....
So HUGS....
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 3, 2014 17:33:22 GMT
Thanks:)
Unfortunately no, I have no stalls, only a field shelter but the roof is low and I hate them being tied in there, maybe one day I'll have a stall.
I think I'll try the bungees like you said, I have that clip thing that breaks away on a piece of baler twine but I like the idea of the bungee giving and taking, that's Isis problem, he feels resistance and panics till he breaks something, usually himself, I tie them with the buckaroo quality halters with pressure knots but when he gets in a panic his training goes out the window!
I think a lot of the problem is me, I don't trust them so they feed off it and do it, I know the last trainer left Isis tied while we chatted in the house for a good hour and he was fine.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jul 3, 2014 18:24:48 GMT
As I said, a very smart horse. Try to tie him while he is eating. Or tie him and hold apple or something that he likes. When my foals reach 6 months, they are learned to be tied. Normally we just tie them beside their mommys and there is no problems. They get used to it really quickly.
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Post by 1fatmule on Jul 3, 2014 20:09:59 GMT
imo, crossties are dangerous i have seen horses flip over backwards, and sustain serious injuries. now-a-days there are a lot of new "gimics" but the old innertube tied to the tree has worked like MAGIC for us with both foals (not too young), and older spoiled horses alike. they fight themselves, and you can hide out of sight with a sharp knife if it is needed to prevent injury, works every time!
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Post by horselady on Jul 3, 2014 20:20:43 GMT
I think clinton anderson has a bungie type tie, . we used to tie horses to a tree and that way they could go around and not get tangled up in the rope. perhaps a post that is in the ground about 5 feet deep with 5 feet above ground with a tie ring on it might work.
and they could be just jerking your chain because you are a softie.
tie them up and perhaps just before they blow untie them. and hopefully they are tied longer and longer each time.
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jul 5, 2014 4:34:55 GMT
I have the CA tie ring. If they pull back it releases the tension. You can adjust it also. Have also used the rubber inner tube. They pull back but most of the time they realize there not going to get loose and stop. Cross ties are dangerous unless the horse ties well to start with. We had the bungie type cross ties that had the quick release snaps and had a horse that would set back anytime she was tied. One day we figured we would set her up for a reality check. So we hooked her up and she set back and flung herself around. Doo was behind her and smacked her with a whip to send her forward. Usually worked on a few others that we had issues with. But this mare wasn't going to do anything but pulled back as hard as she could. She pulled so hard that she slipped her halter and it shot it out of the barn because the panic snap opened up and busted the wind shield on the truck. The mare went back to the guy that owned her. I had her on a trial run to see if I would buy her. Maybe stand there with them an when one even thinks about pulling back, verbally get after them and tell them to stand or whoa. A tree would be a good thing also. Tie them up and walk away. Tie high so they don't get a foot hung. Once they figure out they can't get loose. They will give in. They will try to take advantage but you have to let them figure it out. jmo Here's a you tube video on the CA tie ring. www.youtube.com/watch?v=evul8o7AHyE |
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 5, 2014 12:24:24 GMT
You know I forgot about the Sierra halter, I think I'll get one to try youtu.be/943gidfzDxAIsis is my main problem and unfortunately when he gets in a panic he wont listen to me, if I whacked him he would freak out worse, if I shout whoa it has no effect as he's not listening, he's such a screwed up horse:( |
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Jul 5, 2014 14:45:59 GMT
Sis used to panic and pull back when tied when I first bought her. I got the Clinton Anderson tie ring and she doesn't pull back when tied anymore! It really worked wonders for her.
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