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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 21:48:50 GMT
Anyone know the name of this bit? I did get an answer on ht years ago but I can't find it!
I'm thinking of trying Isis in it, he's happy in the happy mouth, lol!.....but I just need a bit more bite at times, the trainer rode him in another bit I have but I felt it was too strong and I remember googler saying this was better but I just wanted to look up the name of it online for more input, thanks :)
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 20, 2014 21:52:20 GMT
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 20, 2014 22:05:43 GMT
That's it thanks, it kinda moves in all directions, now to read up on it!
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mingiz
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Post by mingiz on Jun 21, 2014 0:31:27 GMT
Low port bit.
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 21, 2014 9:41:32 GMT
OK ....
Is there a reason the shanks look like that? Does it make it gentler, more severe...
I got the mouthpiece part and the movement of the shanks to rotate...the shape/design of the shanks though have me confused...
I love to learn why a bit is designed as it is...stored away for use another day in time.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 21, 2014 11:36:45 GMT
OK ....
Is there a reason the shanks look like that? Does it make it gentler, more severe... sos
I got the mouthpiece part and the movement of the shanks to rotate...the shape/design of the shanks though have me confused... ???
I love to learn why a bit is designed as it is...stored away for use another day in time. :)
Not sure but they say its a good move up from the snaffle so assuming its mild, it rotates really easily, the shanks are very sensitive and rotate easily too plus it's very lightweight, I'll try it out on him after a few more rides in his snaffle. the girl that came to ride Ira tried him in it when I wasn't around and said he hated it and reared, I've never seen him rear once and doubt it, I stopped her coming as she was ruining him, I see she advertises as a trainer now:(
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Post by horselover4life on Jun 21, 2014 11:48:34 GMT
OK..now we also need a thumbs down for that last part...... "the girl that came to ride Ira tried him in it when I wasn't around and said he hated it and reared, I've never seen him rear once and doubt it, I stopped her coming as she was ruining him, I see she advertises as a trainer now"
You ride your horse in that bit with soft hands and his trust of you, see if he reacts in such a negative fashion... wag finger
And Wear A Crash Helmet, please!!!
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 21, 2014 12:09:40 GMT
OK..now we also need a thumbs down for that last part...... >:( "the girl that came to ride Ira tried him in it when I wasn't around and said he hated it and reared, I've never seen him rear once and doubt it, I stopped her coming as she was ruining him, I see she advertises as a trainer now"
You ride your horse in that bit with soft hands and his trust of you, see if he reacts in such a negative fashion... wag finger
And Wear A Crash Helmet, please!!! Thankyou Ugh I know, She was doing fine the first 6 times I watched her then I got busy, I noticed she stopped riding him on the road and asked her why and she said he had spooked and bolted rally bad and she had to get off and walk him back, he was always perfect with traffic, now he's awful:(.....so after she told me that I watched her again, she went to take him up the field and he did this tiny buck saying I don't want to, well she sawed him in the mouth and brought him back to the paddock and just walked him round, she didn't know I was watching, I hid, after she left I saddled him up and went to get on him, he would not stand still, he is usually a rock, I thumped him on the shoulder a few times but he still was agitated, so I faced him to the 6ft chain link fence, got on, he just wanted to run, it took me a good while to get him to relax and walk again, about a dozen rides, needless to say she wasn't required any over and I phoned a few people I knew who used her and told them:)
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Post by redzip on Jun 21, 2014 12:13:37 GMT
I like that bit I have considered that as a nice bit that Zippy might like, also. I've always been a fan of a mullen mouth bit,.., (i.e. the gradually curved mouth piece). Red loved his mullen mouth. I also like the swivel/loose shanks. It is a bit that helps create a soft jaw, a soft face, with some control, and the shanks help them tuck at the poll and chin. Ridden on a loose rein, but watch that a sensitive horse does not get behind the bit, IMO A real good price too
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 21, 2014 14:01:55 GMT
Can I ask why do you need that bit? I am just wondering, maybe if you tell me I can recomend something else. It looks little bit harsh. Maybe I am wrong, never seen this type of a bit.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 21, 2014 18:08:37 GMT
Can I ask why do you need that bit? I am just wondering, maybe if you tell me I can recomend something else. It looks little bit harsh. Maybe I am wrong, never seen this type of a bit. Hey:) its ts apparently a really mild bit if you read the reviews, I am using a happy mouth jointed continental at the moment, he has mouth issues and does not like fat bits, we tried a KK ultra on him last year but he hated that too. i am finding as he progresses that I just need something with a bit of leverage, he does have a past of rearing and I believe he flipped over and broke the first trainers ribs and hurt himself badly so I need to ensure I can keep his head down, I've noticed when he tenses he is starting to raise it a bit and it's in the back of my mind what this may lead to. i got this bit with this bridle and remember the woman saying what a nice bit it is to step up from a snaffle if needed, I have ridden most of my previous horses with snaffles or hackamores except Dax but I just feel Isis needs a bit more(excuse the pun!) the last trainer who did manage to ride him and get him ready for me was using a much more severe bit! some type of Tom Thumb which I have but I feel it's too much although he rode nicely in it with her it was more my issue as I'm not used to western type bits and it felt heavy thus more leverage I'm assuming whereas the one pictured feels very lightweight. That last time I rode him while I regained control of him fairly easily made me aware he still could have that moment, he has blind bolted on foot, nothing will stop him, he will run off a cliff and almost did once so I feel while I am gaining his trust and he mine that I need a safety net or back up, I am open to suggestions, I just thought I'd try this as I already have it lol! He does not like being tied down, the first trainer did this towards the end and he reacted very badly so I don't event want to try a martingale, he is a very very sensitive horse to everything and I mean everything I know if I did not have him he would not be alive today, I've been told that by many people, he is too much had work! i would try a hackamore but he reacts badly to nose pressure so I feel for him it's wrong, pity as my last eventer loved his german hackamore:( Hope this gives you some insight, any advice welcome:) He is green but not like a normal green horse lol!....you prob think I'm crazy but you'd have to work with him, he is soooo different from any horse I've worked with before, I had a lot of frustration and heartache getting him this far, I know I really shouldn't be riding him out on the roads but I don't have much choice, scares the crap out of me sometimes but what can I do!
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 21, 2014 18:10:42 GMT
Oh and the first person that mentions shoulder control will get a slap!
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 22, 2014 14:51:43 GMT
So you pretty much listed all thing I would suggest. I can understand what type of a horse is it, I have one like that, just I use martingal and simple ring snaffle and it does help a little. Sometimes harsh bits as you know I am sure can cause rearing too. Did you try this? I think it is a good way to work a horse how to keep his head in better position as how to better engage the hind legs and how to collect. We all know that for rearing, a horse have to lift his head, if you make him to keep his head in a position were you have better control and better comunication maybe he will give up on being a bad boy Also someone told me when I asked about my rearing horse, that it it important always to push him forward when you feel resistance.
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Post by mingiz on Jun 22, 2014 17:13:38 GMT
I wanted to add that I used that bit on a paint mare I had. I liked it but I noticed where the bit and shanks meet. If it's the exact bit, the bit part would slide up and down on the shank just enough to pinch the mouth.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 22, 2014 18:17:14 GMT
I wanted to add that I used that bit on a paint mare I had. I liked it but I noticed where the bit and shanks meet. If it's the exact bit, the bit part would slide up and down on the shank just enough to pinch the mouth. ;) Thanks, I'll watch for that when I try it, the Tom Thumb the trainer used, I'll find a picture, I felt really sat too tight on the sides, I worried it would rub his mouth, I'm such a worry wort!
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 22, 2014 18:29:30 GMT
So you pretty much listed all thing I would suggest. I can understand what type of a horse is it, I have one like that, just I use martingal and simple ring snaffle and it does help a little. Sometimes harsh bits as you know I am sure can cause rearing too. Did you try this? I think it is a good way to work a horse how to keep his head in better position as how to better engage the hind legs and how to collect. We all know that for rearing, a horse have to lift his head, if you make him to keep his head in a position were you have better control and better comunication maybe he will give up on being a bad boy :) Also someone told me when I asked about my rearing horse, that it it important always to push him forward when you feel resistance. Unfortunately I have no arena or even a flat area to work my horses, no kidding, it bugs me no end, frustrating, and it's difficult to get any kind of rhythm on unlevel ground:( I'm hoping positive thought and a watchful eye will keep him from rearing, he hasn't in a long time but I am very careful to avoid it, try to erase that habit from his memory, even when he got shod a few weeks ago for the first time, the farrier was quick to let his foot go when she felt him tensing as she knows with him tension means rear, so as soon as he tensed and his head started to go up she would drop it and walk away while talking to him, it worked good he behaved. Last fall when I rode him there were a couple near rears, I'm afraid with him the worst thing I can do is push him forward, I know, he is a freak of nature!....he goes against all I was taught, all I've learned from other horses and at times even common sense!....I have to just stand him still, scratch his withers and talk to him till he drops his head and relaxes, if I do the normal stuff, circling whatever he just can't cope and flips out, nothing other than standing still seems to calm him or take his mind off whatever he was upset about, my other gelding I can just spin in circles no prob, that's his half brother:) I'm getting used to his weird ways and I know I can't ever really let my guard down on him, weird thing is he will walk in the ditches over boxes, bags anything, ducks take off from the pond and he doesn't move, it's just like a little switch, maybe he relaxes a bit then something startles him, one time he freaked at a butterfly flying by, yet mins before 4 ducks noisily taking off feet from him had no effect on him, very strange horse! Luckily I'm a pretty relaxed rider, I do move him into the ditch when cars pass after asking them to stop or slow but I'm careful of my rein length, not too long so I have control but not too short to create tension, he's not the most relaxing horse to ride lol,....he's such a lazy bum though ugh I don't know! anyway I don't know if anyone is into this but I have a session coming up with a animal communicator! see what she says!
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 22, 2014 18:35:30 GMT
So you pretty much listed all thing I would suggest. I can understand what type of a horse is it, I have one like that, just I use martingal and simple ring snaffle and it does help a little. Sometimes harsh bits as you know I am sure can cause rearing too. Did you try this? I think it is a good way to work a horse how to keep his head in better position as how to better engage the hind legs and how to collect. We all know that for rearing, a horse have to lift his head, if you make him to keep his head in a position were you have better control and better comunication maybe he will give up on being a bad boy Also someone told me when I asked about my rearing horse, that it it important always to push him forward when you feel resistance. Unfortunately I have no arena or even a flat area to work my horses, no kidding, it bugs me no end, frustrating, and it's difficult to get any kind of rhythm on unlevel ground:( I'm hoping positive thought and a watchful eye will keep him from rearing, he hasn't in a long time but I am very careful to avoid it, try to erase that habit from his memory, even when he got shod a few weeks ago for the first time, the farrier was quick to let his foot go when she felt him tensing as she knows with him tension means rear, so as soon as he tensed and his head started to go up she would drop it and walk away while talking to him, it worked good he behaved. Last fall when I rode him there were a couple near rears, I'm afraid with him the worst thing I can do is push him forward, I know, he is a freak of nature!....he goes against all I was taught, all I've learned from other horses and at times even common sense!....I have to just stand him still, scratch his withers and talk to him till he drops his head and relaxes, if I do the normal stuff, circling whatever he just can't cope and flips out, nothing other than standing still seems to calm him or take his mind off whatever he was upset about, my other gelding I can just spin in circles no prob, that's his half brother:) I'm getting used to his weird ways and I know I can't ever really let my guard down on him, weird thing is he will walk in the ditches over boxes, bags anything, ducks take off from the pond and he doesn't move, it's just like a little switch, maybe he relaxes a bit then something startles him, o ne time he freaked at a butterfly flying by, yet mins before 4 ducks noisily taking off feet from him had no effect on him, very strange horse! Luckily I'm a pretty relaxed rider, I do move him into the ditch when cars pass after asking them to stop or slow but I'm careful of my rein length, not too long so I have control but not too short to create tension, he's not the most relaxing horse to ride lol,....he's such a lazy bum though ugh I don't know! anyway I don't know if anyone is into this but I have a session coming up with a animal communicator! see what she says! This sound just like my mare... exacly like that. Well I wish you luck, you know your horse best, we can just guess what would help, but you are the one spending all the time with him
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Post by lorddaxter on Jun 22, 2014 19:03:58 GMT
I wish I knew him better, trial and error!
You reminded me though, I have a secret video I took of him being 'trained' at the trainers that screwed him up, I'm going to look for it and post it here, I always wondered exactly what the trainer was trying to achieve, be nice to have some insight!
i didn't post it on ht as so many people there would know who the trainer was and tell him, plus I didn't want to stir things up again!
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Post by nhg on Jul 10, 2014 18:22:27 GMT
This is the bit I use on my horse both ever day and in the ring. A snaffle has the nutcracker effect which both he and I hate. A regular curb is too stiff and limiting. With this bit I can switch from riding one to two handed and because the shanks lift individually I can give him some very soft signals for turns while keeping him collected. I find that it also works great for real collection and reminds him to lift himself rather than just pull his nose in. I usually ride two handed with it.
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Post by lorddaxter on Jul 10, 2014 18:26:59 GMT
This is the bit I use on my horse both ever day and in the ring. A snaffle has the nutcracker effect which both he and I hate. A regular curb is too stiff and limiting. With this bit I can switch from riding one to two handed and because the shanks lift individually I can give him some very soft signals for turns while keeping him collected. I find that it also works great for real collection and reminds him to lift himself rather than just pull his nose in. I usually ride two handed with it. Oh that's good to know, I kinda switch between 2 and 1 hands as I'm trying to teach him to neck rein, I haven't switched bits yet as I was scared he'd start acting up, I think now would bea good time as he's acting up anyway, may as well just throw another spanner in there, might take his mind off the other stuff lol! i wonder if it would help stop him peanut rolling, I'm used to riding English and like a higher head carriage than these QH types seem to have to me its like ok yeh he's nice and relaxed with his head down here but then when he gets spooked then I have long reins and no ability to do anything!
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