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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 21:03:29 GMT
I was thinking about a conversation I had with a few of the ladies from the barn last night. A few of them are actively looking for prospect horses as jumpers and/or eventers. They most likely will purchase horses off the racetrack once the tracks close for the winter and people start liquidating.
An interesting question came up and I am curious what you all think. Would you buy an OTTB if you knew they were a bleeder, with an athletic second career in mind?
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Post by horselady on Sept 28, 2016 23:42:25 GMT
In my opinion i would take on a bleeder.. i would also make sure that horse is not doing anything to stress him out. and also give it some time,months in fact to grow and get over the condition... bleeding is from the lungs that are being stressed out and bleed.. and lasix is used to help the horse not to bleed. i would have a vet check him/her out and make sure there is no other underlying problem ..
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Post by horselover4life on Sept 29, 2016 10:21:08 GMT
I would not.....
You are buying a known weakness in a competition horse..
Now looking to the future of long periods of time running, exerting themself and demanding the most of their body again...
Not knowing if the drugs needed can be used or will be deemed "illegal" by the sanctioning body rules you ride under...
Why?
Why would you purchase, train, make a partnership with a animal that has a affliction that could stop you dead in your tracks of progression?
For a horse already owned to develop "bleeding" once owned, I would tweak my riding aspirations...
But to knowingly go out and buy a known bleeder  ... his bleeding is probably a pretty good part of the equation why he is being retired and sold...
No...I would not be purchasing such a horse.
Have your friends ever watched a non-medicated bleeder bleed?
Have they ever seen how a horse running full, flat-out suddenly near stops on the track?
Have they ever seen the scoping and the damages done?
It isn't the tiny amount you see in the nostril, it is what is in the lungs.. and how badly he has bleed, for how long before it progressed to "seeing and known" about..
To my knowledge once a bleeder, always a bleeder when put to stressful conditions.
This is also thought to be a progressive ailment...never gets better as in disappears when a horse is "stressed".
Damage to the lungs scars, not sure "scarring" in lungs is reversible completely.
I've heard some refer to it as a parallel to COPD...that is pretty serious.
They would contemplate taking that animal on?
I give them much credit.
I sure would not intentionally knowing the part of a history and what my goals are invest everything into that animal...I just would not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 21:41:57 GMT
Interesting to see the different viewpoints here as well.
I personally would be somewhat adverse to it. If I was going to buy a known bleeder it would have to be one heck of a horse and I would want to scope the lungs first before committing to anything. Otherwise, I would probably pass.
The arguments made for buying a bleeder was that "All horses bleed at the track" Not sure I buy that one, but okay. And that many that have bled go on to never bleed again in their second careers. That was an interesting point to me, but I'm not sure it would be one that I would bank on.
The arguments for not purchasing one fell very much in line with your comments HL4L.
Thank you both for indulging my curiosity!
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Post by mustangsavvy on Oct 1, 2016 3:50:33 GMT
The issue is 70% of horses coming of the track or other high performances sports have EIPH. I personally would not want to take on a horse with this history, but it would be difficult since it is so prevalent in OTTBs.
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Post by horselover4life on Oct 1, 2016 12:09:06 GMT
mustang....it isn't the breed, it is the job they do.
For the most part it is a stress induced ailment but any horse, any breed this happens in. That stress would be intense exercise and exertion.
Since racehorses do extremely stress-related workouts and racing it would figure they would be most afflicted.
It does happen though in any breed, under "intense" exercise is what a article I will link you to calls it.
www.thehorse.com/articles/12529/eiph-exercise-induced-pulmonary-hemorrhage
I only know if you see "the bleed" in the nostril chances are it is not the first time, probably been happening for some time and it is in the lungs the damage is done. The scarring...scars that don't go away.
"Normal" working and ridden horses probably don't have this condition on every ride occur. We as "average" daily riders don't demand such limits of our horses rarely if ever.
Those though that ride, condition and demand high levels of performance from their horse may indeed have this and not know it.
Interesting to me to read was that the bleed thing becomes more common as a horse ages it is thought.
More studies still need to be done, information collected for cause and reason as so much is still unknown.
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Post by mustangsavvy on Oct 2, 2016 1:27:31 GMT
That is what said... "The issue is 70% of horses coming of the track or other high performances sports have EIPH."
My first horse was a OTTB, he was fabulous. I plan to have another one some day.
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Post by horselover4life on Oct 2, 2016 13:06:51 GMT
I don't think most would consider "horse-pulling" a high performance sport but that was where I saw bleeders too.
The exertion the animals put forth under heavy loads is incredible although they don't move fast.
Sadly, I've also seen here, where I live now, a cow horse after working all day come off the trailer at night with blood in the nostril.
Owner hadn't noticed it and when I made mention of it was devastated...he knew instantly what it meant.
Career change for his trusted mount.
And yes, OTTB make great riding companions...
I would scoop the right one up in a second! 
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Post by Lipizzan on Nov 3, 2016 13:11:44 GMT
I would take one too. Simply because I think every horse deserves a chance.
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... his bleeding is probably a pretty good part of the equation why he is being retired and sold...
