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Post by mustangsavvy on Sept 26, 2016 4:04:29 GMT
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Post by horselover4life on Sept 26, 2016 10:08:54 GMT
Nice photos... I do love where you caught the gray going over the fence with eyes closed.... "I can't watch!"...  In some of them there is a  ? noseband I think... Never seen it before... Thin wire that you can see surround the bit ring but is not connected... Anyone know what it is, what is is called or why, how it works??? 3rd. photo from the bottom and in others you can see it...
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Post by carshon on Sept 26, 2016 15:04:15 GMT
these are great pics and I also noticed the bits and the nosebands
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Post by mustangsavvy on Sept 26, 2016 16:09:57 GMT
I thought I posted this under horse shows. Lol
You know I am not sure either. I have not seen it before. Maybe it is a Canadian jumper thing? I have not seen it used in the states.
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Post by horselady on Sept 26, 2016 20:36:57 GMT
It is amazing to see those great horses just being jumped and over those jumps..
and the stuff on the face. and yes i call it stuff.. going to shows around here in new york namely HITS in saugherties i see the dropped nosebands on a horse occasionaly. BUT the hackamore type and the dropped noseband NEVER and once a hack on a olympic rider..
but to each their own.. thanks for sharing and they are amazing.
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Post by spirithawk06 on Sept 28, 2016 23:54:24 GMT
I was questioning the nosebands too as I was looking through the pictures. Glad to see I wasn't the only one.
Beautiful horses and lovely photographs!
Thank you for sharing.
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Post by mustangsavvy on Oct 1, 2016 3:53:26 GMT
Thank you!
One thing to remember is the riders work really hard to find what works best for their horses. Some horses truly do better in these types of bits.
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Post by spirithawk06 on Oct 1, 2016 22:50:26 GMT
I was more curious about them than anything else. We don't really see bridles with nosebands here, and I was wondering if that was more an English thing.
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Post by mingiz on Oct 8, 2016 15:39:34 GMT
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Post by majandra on Oct 8, 2016 17:21:06 GMT
I see a lot of double reins - can anyone tell me about that? I thought it was common only in dressage
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Post by mustangsavvy on Oct 22, 2016 0:26:30 GMT
I see a lot of double reins - can anyone tell me about that? I thought it was common only in dressage Double reins are typically used in place of a double bridle. Typically it is used with either a pelham or a gag. The real purpose is so that, on a horse with the tendency to get strong, you can predominantly ride on the snaffle rein but then have an "emergency brake" (the curb rein) if/when the horse gets strong. The snaffle rein should be in use 95% of the time and the curb rein is used under 5% of the time. It is also a way to communicate in a more complex way with the horse, as in dressage. |
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Post by horselover4life on Oct 22, 2016 3:00:59 GMT
I'm going to expand upon mustangs comments....
Here comes a book.... 
A real double bridle has 2 bits, one set of reins for each bit.
There is a snaffle bit and then a weymouth bit.
A weymouth is the shanked "leverage" bit you see in dressage upper level classes.
The snaffle bit commonly used with a double bridle is called a bradoon.
A pelham bit is made to be used with 2 reins...one bit in the mouth.
The top rein is called the snaffle rein and because it is the ring connected at the bit location in the mouth it is a non-leverage rein. This is your "contact" rein.
The bottom rein is called the curb rein. This rein is attached to the shank lower ring on the bit. This rein is the rein that engages the leverage effect, the curb chain to engage the lower jaw and the engaging of the curb rein applies leverage to poll and jaw. This rein should be ridden with less "contact" than a snaffle rein unless you want engagement the shank and curb effects.
When ridden you place the snaffle rein for pinky control, the curb rein is controlled by your ring finger...all fingers independent digits of each other.
I have seen many ride with their reins placed reverse to the horses displeasure.I have also seen people use their ring finger for the snaffle ad not sure then which finger controls the curb rein {?}.
It is also why I do not care for bit connectors....your horse never rides on the snaffle but with leverage always engaged just because of the design of how that connector strap works..
I have ridden many horses in a pelham bit...
I find it can communicate minuscule cues having a response very lightly given.
As with any bit, the hands holding the reins can be cruel or so quiet and soft you not see cues given and response returned.
I have never had a horse act badly in a pelham with rejection of the bit.
I am not a fan of gag bits as used today by many....
Today there are many variations of gag bits, many riders do not have adequate understanding and education to truly understand the use of the different rings and how they apply leverage and pressure to their horses.
Very light and gentle hands are needed, never to take the face behind the vertical and use that leverage the bit provides, only to work a particular issue not to hang, hold or ride in everyday.
Gag bits are and should be a finesse bit...not for those with a heavy, strong or lugging horse or for any rider that has more hand holding back than they should. Those are training issues....pretty serious ones.
The gag bit shown being used, 4th picture from the end, is a bit requiring a round sliding cheek-piece and separate reins to control the "gag" action and a rein also attached directly to the bit to be used as a snaffle action...used independently by your fingers for cues and control...
I'm old-school in my training....
I was taught to use the lightest, simplest of bits to work with a horse...to form a riding partnership not a overpowering that is seen today to often by me.
I cringe when I look at some pictures today... form, foundation in riding are so lacking and the holes are appearing.
Shortcuts, so many shortcuts instead of good foundation in riding fundamentals.... it is not as a "beginner" those shortcuts are seen but soon after when the "heavy artillery" arrives those craters of missing education start becoming apparent....and continue to be seen.
Without a strong solid foundation to build on, your building is weak...the further you push ahead the bigger the fall will become when your foundation crumbles, and it will crumble!
 ... now shutting up!
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? noseband I think... 
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... now shutting up!