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Post by horselover4life on Jul 27, 2016 12:28:43 GMT
My friend took her horse to the vet last night...
He recommended "Perry's Hoof Oil" specifically for her to use....
Horses feet are rock hard and he says this product works to soften and condition for what her horses needs are.
Applied every day for a week then 2x a week were his care directions...
Will promote better moisture balance.
The product was supposed to be new "back on the market"...
It works..
Has anyone heard of it or used it?
If you do know about it...comments pro or con and where can you purchase it from....
Now I have heard of Pedocan brand and thought this is what she meant, but she said "Perry's".....
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Post by hugs on Jul 27, 2016 13:24:01 GMT
I'm posting because I want to keep track of this thread.
So question: what is the problem with a "rock hard" hoof? What is the happy medium? How is hardness measured so that it is the density of the hoof material that is the problem but not another characteristic, such as cracks or "peeling" that is the problem?
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Post by carshon on Jul 27, 2016 14:42:59 GMT
I'm with  on this one. What specifically is the horses problem that the hooves need to be softened? If he has a bruise or an abcess I would not use the hoof dressing but use a poultice. The outside of a horses hoof is basically dead material covering the inside laminae (live material) the outside can get small surface cracks and other blemishes that do not hurt the internal function of the hoof. Having trimmed my own horses for a year now I would say that a hoof dressing applied to the outside wall of the hoof would gum up my files and make good hoof care very hard. And here is an article on research done on hoof dressings www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=3840&_ctl1%3AImage1.x=20&_ctl1%3AImage1.y=11 |
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Post by Terry on Jul 27, 2016 14:50:38 GMT
I've not heard of or used Perry's Hoof Oil before. Zena's hooves get very hard during the hot, dry summer months, and when they get that dry and hard she gets big cracks and big chunks break off, so I use Farnam Rain Maker on her soles and coronet band when needed, and it has worked very well. I also try to wet down the area around the water trough frequently so that whenever the horses come in for a drink they have to stand in the wet area. Doing that has also helped keep their hooves from getting so hard.
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 27, 2016 15:23:53 GMT
That Terry is the issue.....exactly.
The hoofs are rock hard and now cracking.
I know all about nutrition and feeding for feet. We/I have done that research...she needs help, external help now!
If you don't think that sand and dirt that on average is 110+ degrees stood on and walked on every single day can do some drying of feet... 
**I just did a digital temperature reading of the sand outside my backdoor... 11:30 AM and it is currently 136*......talk about warm. The worst heat of the day has not yet come....**.
They are looking to add moisture, period.
Already we have made mud spots by our troughs...but when it is this hot, this dry.. those mud spots dry out by mid-day.
I read the article carshon...already knew what the content would be.
So much of that is true...that is why it is a specific brand and type of hoof oil I asked about.
It is not petroleum based, no drying agent, it won't gum up your rasp, and it is absorbed into the hoof because it is what it is.
I have to go by what the vet said, knows and has had results from during his practice of 20+ years. He was specific and said no other to bother with...
I think this is not some mass marketed product but you need to know someone who knew someone to get a container. It was gone from the market and only returned recently...
This product may only be available in southern states of Florida and Georgia and such not everywhere...
There are several "care" products I know of that are only available by word of mouth that work and could put "commercial" mixes to shame...just not this hoof oil can I find.
I found the facebook page...
Still not a ingredients list...
No place around me for less than a 2 - 3 hour drive..= expensive hoof oil.
The search goes on...
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Post by hugs on Jul 27, 2016 16:14:10 GMT
Okay, better explanation. The problem isn't the hardness or density of the material but that the hoof material doesn't have integrity. Identifying the real problem is key.
So now we know that the hoof isn't able to handle normal stressors that all hooves need to be able to handle.
So how do we figure that out, we ask a series of questions;
Is this a long standing problem? versus When did you notice the problem? Has it happened before? It is associated with seasons or change of diet like from hay to fresh grass or the other way around? What also changed before you noticed the hoof problem?
If the hoof was good and then not good, then it wasn't immediately before the "noticed it was not good" that something happened because hooves don't break down their internal integrity that fast. Since hooves are trimmed maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch every 6 to 8 weeks, I think it's reasonable to suggest that hooves grown 1/4 to 1/2 inch every 6 to 8 weeks.
Are you noticing the breakage within 1/4 to 1/2 inch and are the hooves being trimmed every 6 to 8 weeks? Then perhaps the hooves are actually growing faster, which is possible in the summer, and there really isn't a problem
If the breakage is significantly more than 1/4 to 1/2 inch, then that supports the hypothesis that the breakage is due to hoof integrity and not due to normal growth of the hoof wall beyond the "base" of the hoof. And we need to look at what is missing that was there that is part of the hoof material? In other words, going back to the change of diet or change in the diet, for instance.
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 27, 2016 16:41:24 GMT
No ....
All of the things you question and raised have already been discussed at length.
We are not dealing with "normal stresses" is right.
We know what the problem is...
We now need to put extra moisture in just because it is so darn hot and dry the animals feet are literally drying out.
My horses are doing much the same thing...
In Florida it is god-awful hot and dry right now....our heat index is over 102 everyday for the last 37 days with 1/2" of rain.
Our horses are not accustomed to this intense heat and dry for this long a stretch with no wet conditions of rain everyday.
It takes a toll on every living creature...
Our low areas that are normally under 2 feet of water are bone-dry....
Our pastures look like winter forage not the rainy season grasses we love.
It is hot, it is dry yet humid terrible.
My dogs are suffering, my horses are suffering and I am also suffering.
I won't ride now, period.
I went to bed last night it was 90 and woke up this morning it was 90....even the desert cools down at night, not here!
That heat is drying.
We look to replace what is being sucked out of the hooves because of the excessive sun and drying heat of the ground.
It is not just our horses but everyone is complaining of the same issues... shod or barefoot makes no difference.
We have no end in sight...it doesn't begin to cool down for 2 months yet if then...it is brutal and if you don't do something now to try to help you won't have a horse able to walk on such busted and broken feet.
So I guess you also have not heard of the product.... 
I will find it, she will find it...and it will be purchased.
The vet has been through this before but it was many, many years ago...
Thanks for the thoughts, insight and suggestions...
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Post by horselady on Jul 27, 2016 18:03:10 GMT
from what i read it is no longer in production www.flahorse.com/forums/showthread.php?26805-Perry-s-hoof-dressing-no-longer-in-production! as far as dryness. the feet need to stand in water we know all this. so making a muddy spot into the ground around the water tank is a great idea.. but why not have the horse stand in mud in a kiddie pool for about an hour a day. and do not rinse off the feet. hard hooves need moister and for me i use vasoline or veggie oil right on the hoof, many horses come here from stables that are not allowing horses turn out so their feet are horrible. i remove shoes and let them run out in the yard and let nature take care of the growth and the feet. also adding that oil to the grain or in their food. good luck finding something comparable. www.worldsbesthoofoil.com/usa.html |
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 27, 2016 19:29:07 GMT
Thanks hl....
Vet said he just saw some of the stuff, so who knows.
He knows the guy through a friend that makes it...yup, homegrown recipe.
We already built a mud sandbox to stand in when he eats...so 2 hours a day of "wet"....
That though still leaves a lot of hours of dry, dry, dry...
I will tell her about Vaseline and the veggie oil...
The search is definitely on........ mini-graphics-smileys-801959
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Post by hugs on Jul 27, 2016 19:32:34 GMT
I visited Florida once in, I think, late winter, March I think, it's been many many years. I was like a kid in a fairyland. Tshirt and shorts, the air was still but not stifling, it was around 70 degrees and I felt like I was walking around in a perfectly climate controlled greenhouse with the most fantastic flowers and palms all around me. A heat index of 102 *ugh* no thanks, I'd rather be in a windchill of 20 below any day of the week. I think I'd be breaking apart too.
HL4L, maybe I just didn't read your post very well, so sorry for the discourse where none was needed hot weather fan |
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Post by horselover4life on Jul 27, 2016 20:38:26 GMT
No discourse ....
Frustrating situation and I am open to any ideas, those who come across that product we search for or other suggestions...
We could miss something and someone else hit on it...all is good to suggest and I do appreciate it.
I am just getting frustrated looking for the product.
I did call the vet. Spoke to office and they told me it is definitely on the market as vets wife just bought some for her horses...same issue she is having as us.
So...now can they share where they got it from. They're checking...they signed for the delivery but don't know the contact...  ... or so they say!! 
What you describe is what we have from Thanksgiving till May....
This year is breaking all records {and bank account, just got the electric bill!  } with ridiculous higher heat...
We also are not equipped for desert condition temps and dry...
I have nearly all my winter hay stored..don't normally do that till September.
This year I think there is going to be a scramble with drought now facing us.
We should be having daily rain storms of about 2" a day....nothing.
Some passing noise, dark skies and gone......
Right now I could do with a rapid cool-down and truly enjoy it!
Break out a heavy parker {yes, I still have mine} and be outdoors with a fire to sit by and enjoy that too...
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Post by Lipizzan on Nov 14, 2016 17:16:31 GMT
Gaetana has also very hard hoof that would crack easily, I also was watering the area around where she would come to drink, but in long term that does not help.
I found a product that is normally used for cattle, but is works magically for my mare. It is like this very pigmented green paste that I put on her inner side of hoofs every day.
Since it leaves stains I would not recommend on out wall of hoof.
It has really really helped her. I just have to look tomorrow in my grooming box to get you a name of it. It works wonders with all bad stuff related to hooves.
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Post by horselady on Nov 14, 2016 20:25:33 GMT
Sounds like coppertox... yucky green stuff that stains.. lol but works
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on this one. What specifically is the horses problem that the hooves need to be softened? If he has a bruise or an abcess I would not use the hoof dressing but use a poultice. The outside of a horses hoof is basically dead material covering the inside laminae (live material) the outside can get small surface cracks and other blemishes that do not hurt the internal function of the hoof.
... or so they say!! 
} with ridiculous higher heat...