kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 7, 2014 22:39:18 GMT
I have my new Arab gelding, my leopard POA mare, my blind, rescue POA and her seeing eye pony loose in the yard to mow the lawn. The two younger horses were nosing around on the rescue mare, who is in season. I was keeping an eye on them when I saw the gelding was getting an erection. I decided to go out to make sure all was well. Well I got out there to see the gelding mount and penetrate. By the time I got to them, he dismounted with no erection and dribbling. I got right up there to check, and there are NO testicles. I know age of gelding is not an issue here, but I would love to know that both testicles were present at the time! My understanding is that a retained testicle cannot produce viable sperm. Right?
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 8, 2014 6:11:58 GMT
If one testicle is left inside it can produce sperm. But if both are, not really because of the temperature in the body of a horse that does not alove to develop sperm. Was horse yours when he was gelded?
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Jun 8, 2014 14:57:19 GMT
Oh no! I sure hope he doesn't have a retained testicle. The last thing that poor old girl needs is to get pregnant again. Can you check with the people you bought him from to make sure that both testicles were removed when he was gelded?
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 8, 2014 14:59:54 GMT
Thank you for responding Lipizzan. Did you see my thread about getting a new boy new boy on ht? He was my birthday present to myself, I got him just this last May 4th. So, I've had him 1 month and 4 days. The previous owner said he'd owned him 5 or 6 years. Cayenne was his first horse ever and, from the way he talked, he didn't ask many questions when he bought him and wouldn't remember the seller. Since Cayenne is not registered, finding the original owner would be a "needle in the haystack" type thing. I got several responses on Horse Forum (didn't even try on ht) and was reminded of what I have heard before. If any testicle is retained, the horse will be sterile, the temp inside is too high and no sperm would survive. But, geldings have been known to urinate inside the mare, so urinary tract infection is possible. When I went out to remove him from the mares I found the other mare (actually my avatar) mounting her.( ) My rescue mare, Luvy, seems to be quite the little hussy!
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nhg
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Post by nhg on Jun 8, 2014 15:03:51 GMT
Interesting! I wonder how a vet can check for that. Maybe x-rays? It's interesting that the mare was mounting her as well, something going on with the mare being mounted by everyone, maybe a hormone issue?
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 8, 2014 15:06:20 GMT
Hi, Terry! You must hav been responding at the same time I was! Hopefully, my response to Lipazzan answered your questions. Actually, I think Luvy would love being a mommy again. She was really good at it. But, I think the risks are not worth it.
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 8, 2014 15:25:47 GMT
Hi, nhg. Mare mounting mare is not unheard of. I hadn't seen it, personally, but I'm being told it's nothing to worry about. This is actually bringing back some very sad memories. A horse I had in my late teens,(Dusty) ended up having a third testicle, talk about rare. I was able to visit with his original owner and the vet that gelded him. Long story short, we (my vet at the time and I) took him up to the university vet hospital. The surgery was very long and the vets closed him up, sort of, to try again from a different area, later. They didn't stitch him up, they packed him. After all was over, I was told that was common. Anyway, during the night he acted up and "by the time they got to him" the packing had come out, along with part of his intestines. He had to be euthanized. Wow, I'm getting teary eyed after all these years. Anyway, the vets were curious, and went back in (at no charge to me) and found the testicle next to his spine. I was told that through the years a testicle can move around and it wasn't the first testicle they had found in that area. Dusty was a wonderful horse, I wasn't having any actual problems with him. But, others recommended that the testicle should go. I still wish I hadn't listened. That had to be so scary and painful for him. For your question, a testicle is soft tissue, wouldn't show up in an xray. I wish they could have done something, to locate the testicle in Dusty. He wouldn't have had to die. As long as this situation is the only "problem" I have with Cayenne, I won't be wanting to travel that road again anyway.
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mistersmom
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Post by mistersmom on Jun 9, 2014 12:32:19 GMT
I would call your vet and explained what happened and see how s/he thinks your should proceed. Even if he is sterile, you don't want him constantly mounting her and harassing her.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 9, 2014 12:43:37 GMT
Testicles can be felt by palpation on abdominal cavity by your vet. So that way you can be sure if he has remaining testicle.
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 9, 2014 13:41:16 GMT
Testicles can be felt by palpation on abdominal cavity by your vet. So that way you can be sure if he has remaining testicle. Not if the testicle has moved, did you read my post that included what I went through with Dusty? I will have the vet check him the next time she is out, sooner if I should have an issue. I will just not have him loose with a mare in season. I am thinking about the chance of riding with others and someone having a mare in heat. I will try riding him around one of my mares as the experiment. If he even tries to ignore me, that would count as an issue.
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 9, 2014 13:43:24 GMT
I am sorry, I dont understand english good sometimes.
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Terry
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Post by Terry on Jun 9, 2014 13:50:16 GMT
Oh my goodness, your story about Dusty is heartbreaking! A third testicle? Who knew that could happen.
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 9, 2014 14:12:50 GMT
I am sorry, I dont understand english good sometimes. No, you're fine. You're right for the vast majority of horses. I don't know how rare it is for a testicle to move. But then, in Dusty's case, a third testicle, who would have imagined that? After that experience I'm just too sensitive on the subject. I promise to be careful! Since everything I've been hearing is that the "breeding" incident isn't all that uncommon I'm not going to get myself too upset. I will protect my mares and visit with the vet. Calmly. Thank you for trying to be helpful, I know that was all you were doing. Your information is appreciated! smileys-flowers-548267
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 9, 2014 14:25:48 GMT
Oh my goodness, your story about Dusty is heartbreaking! A third testicle? Who knew that could happen. It was a nightmare! My memory being so bad for everything else, I wish that one would go away! The initial surgery lasted over 4 hours. The surgeons didn't want to keep him under the anesthesia any longer, it was being dangerous as it was. I had it set up to be gone for the one day, and my vet needed to get back to his practice. I left after seeing Dusty, all groggy, in a recovery stall, padded so horses couldn't hurt themselves. I just remember him looking so disoriented and confused. I hated leaving him. I hate the fact that I wasn't there. I hate the fact the no one was watching him, that he was alone, that it took any time at all for them to "get to him". And since they were going to be going back in, in a totally different place, why they didn't suture him up? I'm sorry, it's just such a bad memory!
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Lipizzan
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Post by Lipizzan on Jun 9, 2014 14:45:04 GMT
I know how it feeles, i have seen my horse dies. I still have nightmares from that. I am very sorry you have to go threw that.
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nhg
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Post by nhg on Jun 9, 2014 16:08:25 GMT
What a sad story about Dusty, I'm so sorry. A third testicle?? What the hell! And up near his spine? Weird. And very unfortunate.
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Post by horselady on Jun 13, 2014 20:21:08 GMT
How sad for you to go thru all those feelings of guilt about dusty and his surgery. yet again you only did what was suggested by your elders and others. not your fault, yet the feelings of being at fault never go away , they lay dormant and erupt when faced with a similiar situation. i know all to well what you are going thru. and i give you many . as for geldings mounting and actually breeding. yes they can. i have seen it happen and i know these horses are geldings that do not have a third testicle or have been proud cut. perhaps a blood test to determine levels of tosterone.?? call your vet and perhaps suggest it.
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 14, 2014 0:46:01 GMT
I will find out what the tests would cost and will do that if there are any other issues. I feel very reassured that his behavior was not out of the norm. So far I haven't had any behavior issues, that would point to extra testosterone. I'm sorry you had to experience something that would make you have to hurt like I did and do. If it would help to share, I would love to help. Thank you, thank you very much!
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Post by mingiz on Jun 14, 2014 2:11:15 GMT
We have a very hot mare here. And when she cycles. She's a regular HO. She even had JR trying to mount her. He has never done that with any other mares. Even Rawhide mounted mares. But never penetrated. Never heard of a horse having an extra testicle. Wow...
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kskatt
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Post by kskatt on Jun 14, 2014 3:29:03 GMT
Somehow I seem to be drawn to the oddball. If it's out of the norm, it's mine. Actually, it seems that the more bizarre, the more likely it is to happen to me. But they are not all bad!
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