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Post by redzip on Nov 16, 2015 22:18:39 GMT
Are you NOT really training your own horse??  I got 'attacked' by a 'friend' for posting this on FB. I'm sorry, but I've put A LOT of time, $$, and work into 'training' Zippy, and I take credit for some of that. My 'friend' gave me a raft of $hit, and told me my post was offensive. WTF is that all about? People blow my mind sometimes  Will post the FB post following this post. |
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Post by redzip on Nov 16, 2015 22:20:25 GMT
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Post by mistersmom on Nov 16, 2015 23:38:57 GMT
So I'm confused (what's new). Your friend posted that pic on your page or did she say more? Oh, now I see - you posted that and she had a fit? Let me guess, she has a "made" horse.
If you are the one riding the horse, then yes, you are training your horse. By taking lessons, we are getting help and learning the correct way to ask our horses what we want them to do. Now, if you have your trainer riding your horse and all you do is jump on at a show, then no, you are not training your horse (obviously).
What you are doing with Zippy - you are training him. We don't all know everything there is to know about training our horses. Even top level Olympic riders have trainers or at the very least go to clinics.
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Post by redzip on Nov 16, 2015 23:54:16 GMT
So I'm confused (what's new). Your friend posted that pic on your page or did she say more? Oh, now I see - you posted that and she had a fit? Let me guess, she has a "made" horse. If you are the one riding the horse, then yes, you are training your horse. By taking lessons, we are getting help and learning the correct way to ask our horses what we want them to do. Now, if you have your trainer riding your horse and all you do is jump on at a show, then no, you are not training your horse (obviously). What you are doing with Zippy - you are training him. We don't all know everything there is to know about training our horses. Even top level Olympic riders have trainers or at the very least go to clinics. She has a $15,000 horse, imported from overseas, that has been 'in training' at an 'away' training farm for the past 9-12 months,.., so YES, SHE has, will have, a MADE horse. I will NEVER have a 'made' horse, and until this horse, NEVER had the means to have this kind of training. I HAD to invest in this horse, or potentially get seriously injured. I didn't invest in all this training, and this dedication to riding Zippy each and every week, plus keeping him ridden while we're away, on some whim. It was a necessity, so as not to get seriously hurt by him, st my age. i've ridden since I was 10 yrs old, and never encountered a horse like Zippy. She really hit below the belt on this one,., and i told her so. It deeply hurt my feelings and I generally 'vent' about $hit, but don't allow my feelings to get overly involved. This is the same 'friend' who did not believe me when I told her that Elise (the horrible trainer from last year) ripped me off. Very petty! |
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Post by mistersmom on Nov 17, 2015 0:11:41 GMT
Pardon my bluntness but why haven't you unfriended this person on FB yet? Go do it....now. You don't need anyone like this in your life in any manner of being.
Go do it!!
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Post by redzip on Nov 17, 2015 0:28:03 GMT
Pardon my bluntness but why haven't you unfriended this person on FB yet? Go do it....now. You don't need anyone like this in your life in any manner of being. Go do it!! You are absolutely correct MM,.., this pettiness is mind blowing  And to answer your question, I had not spoken to her in years, and just became 'friends' again about a year ago. I doubt I will unfriend her (altho I totally agree with you on this) bc I really should not let that kind of crap bother me so much. I am usually not so sensitive, this was just completely out of left field. Truly, that is HER problem, not my problem. And her attacking me, has A LOT more to do with her short comings, not my short comings. I think she has a personality problem,.., so I have to remind myself of thst when dealing with her,., It ISN'T ME. But I blasted her in a message, so, LOL, i may never hear from her again Thanks for the feedback,., it caught me off guard. How could anyone, possibly be offended, or belittling to someone else for FINALLY experiencing some success with their horse. However it comes about, trainer or no trainer?!!! |
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Post by mistersmom on Nov 17, 2015 0:45:48 GMT
I find it amusing that she thought you were pointing a finger at her with your post. Guilty conscience or what?
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Post by horselady on Nov 17, 2015 0:51:54 GMT
I saw that and just scrolled over it not knowing why it was posted. ( i get so much gibberish that sometimes i do not pay attention to it.) as for your so called friend. having a horse brought to this country for that amount of money and having him trained for those months is like buying a used car.. i supposed she is olympic quality rider that goes to all kinds of shows in the summer and also does the winter circuit.. perhaps ask her on fb where you should send her holiday greeting card this year. in maryland or ocala florida?? where all the professionals and who is who are riding.. people like that make me just block em. they are spoiled and cold and controlling. thankfully you are better than that and have the desire to ride and improve yourself with zip and zip with you..  |
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Post by redzip on Nov 17, 2015 1:14:45 GMT
I saw that and just scrolled over it not knowing why it was posted. ( i get so much gibberish that sometimes i do not pay attention to it.) as for your so called friend. having a horse brought to this country for that amount of money and having him trained for those months is like buying a used car.. i supposed she is olympic quality rider that goes to all kinds of shows in the summer and also does the winter circuit.. perhaps ask her on fb where you should send her holiday greeting card this year. in maryland or ocala florida?? where all the professionals and who is who are riding.. people like that make me just block em. they are spoiled and cold and controlling. thankfully you are better than that and have the desire to ride and improve yourself with zip and zip with you.. HL, she is NONE of that ^ altho she comes from a weathy family, amd married into a 'landed' family locally. She will inherit A LOT of money and land when her parents and her in laws are gone. She doesn't compete, she doesn't travel, and I'm not really sure why she spent so much on this horse. She has always had horses and money and access to 'almost the best', if not, 'the best'. She may not be the richest person I know, but she is certainly in a better position than most. I have worked for everything I have and never been in a position to afford a $15,000 horse nor ever will be. Plus, I know better than to think the price tag makes the horse. She is on notice that her comments were over the top, and incredibly PETTY. Does it really matter that a trainer, or a handful of local trainers, have helped me? I put all the hours in, in the saddle or the past year. Zippy was green, green, green in so many ways that, now, as he is improving, I realize just how untrained he was. I am taking the credit for his training, and those thst have helped me KNOW full well what I was dealing with. He verged on dangerous, and now, he is considerably better and safer to ride. As a matter of fact, the trainer that I work with now, told me, I am the rider for that horse bc of his idiocrasies. So too bad she is so petty as to want to take that accomplishment away from me somehow. That is pretty frickn LOW |
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Post by redzip on Nov 17, 2015 1:21:09 GMT
I find it amusing that she thought you were pointing a finger at her with your post. Guilty conscience or what? Yeah, I guess so ^  I certainly don't begrudge her a nice horse, or the unlimited means to train him. How low as to begrudge me a safe rideable horse, and the opportunity to enjoy, indulge in, and use, similar professionals to help me achieve a better horse.
For the record, she hasn't ridden nor seen her horse in MONTHS!  |
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Post by Shelly on Nov 17, 2015 2:47:24 GMT
Wow.. You really don't need that drama. She obviously feels offended by your post which frankly you posted it as a general thing and not trying to point her out on it.
She clearly has many insecurities regarding this but you shouldn't have to trouble yourself over that.
And sorry I must add... Why would you get a 15000$ horse and not actively show! My gosh that would be a dream come true for so many people! Just saying....
But there is definitely more gratification in training your own. Even if you aren't showing at a high level. It's just all around more rewarding in some ways.
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Post by redzip on Nov 17, 2015 3:13:35 GMT
Wow.. You really don't need that drama. She obviously feels offended by your post which frankly you posted it as a general thing and not trying to point her out on it. She clearly has many insecurities regarding this but you shouldn't have to trouble yourself over that. And sorry I must add... Why would you get a 15000$ horse and not actively show! My gosh that would be a dream come true for so many people! Just saying.... But there is definitely more gratification in training your own. Even if you aren't showing at a high level. It's just all around more rewarding in some ways. I have no idea why she spent so much on a horse and has not even been riding it, or working it herself?? IMO, it should have come ALREADY TRAINED for that kind of $$ I can safely say she doesn't show,.., at least not since I've spoken with her over the past year. She knows a lot of horse people, etc, etc, but I have not heard her even mention showing the horse. I don't get it,.., any of it, really ?? |
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Post by Lipizzan on Nov 17, 2015 14:48:43 GMT
I don't know why be offended by someone who has satisfaction of accomplising something. So does that mean that good student is not a good student because teachers teach them?? Hm Hm. Jealousy on her side in my book
It does not mean that you are not training your horse if you have someone to guide you tru it.
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Post by redzip on Nov 17, 2015 15:02:03 GMT
I don't know why be offended by someone who has satisfaction of accomplising something. So does that mean that good student is not a good student because teachers teach them?? Hm Hm. Jealousy on her side in my book It does not mean that you are not training your horse if you have someone to guide you tru it. Thats what I think too Lippy,., its pretty juvenile to try to diminish someone's accomplishments. And,.., to take 'offense' from a FB post,., thats 'reaching' pretty hard for a reason to become 'offended' wag finger I could never afford anything close to what shes been 'given' in her lifetime. I've actually worked very hard to get, and keep, what I have. And I believe I have done the majority of the training,., I know I put the hours in the saddle for the past year, minimally, 2x a week. She isn't riding her high dollar horse, hasn't ridden him since she bought him. He's been away at a training farm for months, being 'made' smileys-home-243828 |
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Post by carshon on Nov 17, 2015 16:01:29 GMT
I saw that post and actually saw it on another horsey friends page as well. She trains at our local show barn and her trainer "liked" the post. Now mind you this barn (which is new to my area) just cleaned up at Quarter Horse Congress. The trainer spent the entire show there with her different riders. My husband takes lessons at the barn to improve his riding as he is self taught. This trainer is big on you doing the work yourself. She always says - I can't do it for you or tells students don't get mad at me you pay me to tell you what you are doing wrong (this types out worse than it sounds - she is a wonderful person and trainer)
So a horse you are taking lessons on with a trainer - you are training and I believe most trainers would tell you that.
You have done marvelous things with Zippy this year and should take a lot of pride into the hard work you have put in. I agree with Nikki - she is jealous.
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Post by redzip on Nov 17, 2015 18:06:32 GMT
I mean I agree with MM.
I've known people who had someone train their horse, they go take lessons on the horse, it lives 'off property',
its warmed up by the trainer, they hop on, show it, and collect the ribbons.
To me ^ that is a 'made' horse.
But someone riding their own horse weekly, having it at home, hiring a trainer to give them lessons on said horse,
and doing ALL - 98% in the saddle, to me, that person is seriously involved in the training.
*For the record, new trainer (as of September, does not get on any horse)*
Learning what makes your horse tick, and being given suggestions for improvement from someone on the ground,
is NOT another person 'making' your horse.
I have been 100% committed to improving my relationship with my horse from the ground up.
A few interludes, some days weeks away, with someone else riding and tweeking, is not a 'made' horse.
JMO.
I have not responded back to her, altho she 'back peddled' away from her temper tatrum.
How do I do a 'screen shot'?
Just curious,., I'll bring the conversation over for you guys to read if I can SS it.
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Post by horselover4life on Nov 18, 2015 1:07:12 GMT
OK...here comes a book!
Training....you are working and training Zip, period.
You are using the skills of a more advanced rider to help you to get more advanced with your horse. That is called instruction, taking lessons or a training session.
Except for a few rides to "straighten out" or "teach" a new concept or help you to visualize so you could then copy it...no one else is sitting on Zips back, working the horse and making the strides of improvement that you are.
Your "friend" has a chip on her shoulder.
She thinks that a innocent post is aimed at her because IT FITS!!!
So she has lots of money...big deal!
She can afford a expensive horse and to pay "training board" at some farm where the horse knows not her as their rider but another...
She is missing something special in the depth of communication that comes with seat time and working through a new learned part of the riding skills puzzle.
She is only fooling herself, not others to what she is capable of.
Unless she is now having the horse campaigned by this barn and rider...what a waste of a nice horse.
I would love to see her get astride and do all those advanced moves on this horse...bet she can't!
No communication, not knowing the minute, tiny cues this horse has been taught to achieve the lofty goals it now can do... 
I will take my freebie, all his scars on his legs that tell a history and past, and the fact that when I walk outside he comes without me calling him to get a scratch, a pat, talks to me and makes me feel good that he wants to be with me without a meal having to be in my hand...He just wants to spend time WITH ME! Sound like Zip??
Can't imagine her horse even knows her...
You know red that the horse knows who sees it daily, handles it daily, feeds and takes care of it daily. Like you and Zip...he knows you and you know him. Something your "friend" will probably never realize what she misses.
As for Facebook...
I believe you can block her from seeing your posts. This use to be possible...
You can see hers, but she not yours instead of "un-friending" her...
Sort of keeps a eye on her and her attitude but insulates you from her nonsense...
My sister had a friend from overseas...
She had a saying of, "She doth protest to much"....
In other words...her words are a reflection of her and her lifestyle. The guilt she "wears" so she must try demeaning others to raise herself and all it really does it make her look very foolish, small and petty!
Hey red...she isn't worth the aggravation she gives you.
She walked back into your life a year ago...might be time to show her the door, close it...lock it and toss the key.
You don't need the aggravation nor her hostility in your life.
My opinion.... now closing that book!!
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Post by Terry on Nov 18, 2015 2:46:28 GMT
I'm coming to this late, and most of you have already said what I was thinking, so I'll keep this short. Yes, Red, you have/had a trainer helping you train Zippy, but yes, you are also training Zippy yourself. You've spent lots of time, energy, hard work, blood, sweat and tears working with and on your horse, and you've been pouring your heart and soul into him. It's paying huge dividends, because he has become the wonderful horse that YOU trained him to be! Take pride in what you and Zippy have accomplished together, you've earned it, and ignore the small minded, petty people who think that you aren't training your horse - you are! |
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Post by redzip on Nov 18, 2015 4:12:32 GMT
Thanks guys!!  I was just astounded by her snark I mean really, HOW LONG does her horse really need to be away at the trainers anyhow? She's not showing it, nor competing anywhere, she just trail rides her other horses on her farm. To my knowledge, she isn't going to go to any shows when she gets him home. She told me (before this) that she just wanted him to be a safe ride. For the $$ she has tied up in him, purchase price and training fees, he should be a puppy dog by this point smileys-dogs-171634 Just proves to me that $15,000 DOES NOT mean you're getting any better horse for the money. JMO |
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Post by redzip on Nov 18, 2015 4:56:04 GMT
Here's the conversation - I love the part where she says 'there is a difference between schooling your horse, and having your horse trained/ in training' Ahhh, yeah,.., I'm actually NOT just 'schooling' my horse, I'm actually TRAINING my horse!!  *removed conversation* |
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